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you're in the paracast

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the gold standard of paranormal radio

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and now

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here's gene steinberg

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with gene and chris

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we're gonna have a really really

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fascinating trip down memory lane

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about stuff that still is being talked

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about we're not talking by the way about

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the r word which is roswell not

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rendelsham although i think randall

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shouldn't we've talked to death too but

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some other things we'll get to it later

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but right now i wanted to bring our

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listeners up to date about a couple of

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and one we had this

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woman on a few weeks back cynthia hart

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and one of the things she did on the

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show was to give me a brief psychic

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reading that she expanded upon

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a couple of minutes after the show ended

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and i talked to chris and i said i

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wasn't too impressed with her

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but you know what she did say certain

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things would happen to me which i won't

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be specific about now beyond the show

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of a positive nature

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and i'm seeing a little bit of that of

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course i might have been in a situation

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where it can't get no worse

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but that was positive i can half believe

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something might be going on and the

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reason i believe any of it at all is

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because years ago when i was making a

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critical decision about my future and my

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future profession

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i had a tarot card reading

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from

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a wiccan woman in philadelphia

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and that set me on a very nice path

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and then we revealed on after the power

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cast that chris is also a card reader

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so would you like to work something out

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with our listeners sometime soon i'm

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kind of putting you on the spot here

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yeah i'll think about it it's been a

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while since i've done any readings

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ah you have to get back in practice is

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that something like a bicycle writing or

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something you gotta do it a few times

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it's more like operating the radio

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all right well

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it's a possibility the other thing we

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did is of course we had joshua warren on

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the show

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and some people like him some people

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think maybe he was pushing his stuff too

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much

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and in connection with that i got in

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touch with his partner who sells

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these hieronymus boxes wishing machines

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and supposedly it helps focus

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your energy on the things you want

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and so a few weeks ago i set up one

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it's here right now it's plugged in and

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everything

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and i made a few

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wishes that you write down and again i

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don't want to jinx anything i'll just

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i saw some positive results

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have you ever tried one of those chris

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nope i never have

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interested in trying it yeah i wouldn't

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mind sure i'll give it a shot let me get

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a hold of joshua and have him fix you up

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with one of these devices cool i could

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always use a little uh

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good luck and magic and all that other

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kind of cool

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suspend your disbelief stuff

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i think things like this really rely on

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the individual

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you control your own destiny in

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different ways and most of us don't

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really have that much control

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but if you can get through or break

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through a little bit

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there's nothing wrong with that so we'll

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see what happens

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and i am as you know kind of the worst

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skeptic about a lot of things so when

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something happens that might be positive

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i'm going to say so

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now i mentioned at the beginning that

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even as much as we don't like to always

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take trips down memory lane on the

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paracast sometimes things happen that

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are interesting

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and so for example

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when the powercast forums were first

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opened up in 2006

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there was a thread there about one of

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the

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classic ufo contactees

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george adamski

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anakaya went dormant

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like 11 years

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and suddenly

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someone heard an individual on a radio

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show who has a site now

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extolling the virtues of george adamski

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and his contacts

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after all these years and we had a brief

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discussion about that

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another one of those contactees was a

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guy named dan fry

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and he had an organization called

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understanding

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and

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supposedly he had

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real experience

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being an engineer and a scientist or

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something like that and one of the

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really knowledgeable people in our

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forums

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was looking over the stuff that dan frye

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wrote back in the 50s and he said you

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know what this stuff

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is really good there's a lot of

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factual basis for it not saying that

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this guy dan fry really contacted e.t or

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anything

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but he was writing about stuff that

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appeared to be authentic

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and i thought okay we have people still

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interested in george adamski

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a very very informative discussion in

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our forums about daniel fry i recommend

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it forum.theparacast.com

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and so i thought of somebody

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and chris has a friend

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who was there in the old days

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and knew these contactees and knows

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where the bodies are buried and that's

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ray stanford

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that's true ray and his brother rex his

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identical twin brother uh spent

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quite a bit of time during their summers

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back in the mid uh to late 50s checking

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out all the abductees george hunt

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williamson daniel fry german bethram

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george van tassel adamski

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uh the list goes on and on uh there were

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quite a quite a few uh

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contactees that most people haven't even

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heard of because they

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they just didn't have the notoriety of

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the big five but uh it's gonna be

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fascinating i i just was

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just fascinated uh interviewing ray for

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quite a number of times about um

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about the contactees and

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writing all this down this will be

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published in a book a biography on ray

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when he gives me permission so we'll

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have to to see

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when that'll be

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we have a couple of sample chapters up

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at powercastplus by the way

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so if you join powercast plus

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check it out just get the beginnings of

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it there but anyway

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i wrote to ray you were there what can

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you tell us and he said you know i can't

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write it all down

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but you know you want to interview me

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i'll tell you the stories and you know

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when you can say something in 20 words

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he'll say it in 50.

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so he'll give you every little detail

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of what these guys did

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the stunts they pulled but i'm very

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dan fry now if dan fry had

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the smarts about science

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doesn't mean his other stuff was real

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but it's something i guess we should

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look into and maybe we could look again

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at these people long gone

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made some pretty wacky claims and most

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of us who were so-called serious in

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quotes researchers

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dismissed them or if we were going to be

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charitable we'd say you know what some

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of these people may have had experiences

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early on and i say adamski

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as one of those people

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how to express those experiences so when

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they used the flying saucer meme

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it may not be what happened to them they

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might not even know what happened to

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sometimes they take an experience

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and they extend it well people want to

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the moon or to a planet on the far side

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how can i top that

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do you ever think also some of these

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contactees really had a genuine

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who do you think might have had a real

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i may have had some sightings so in fact

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billy meyer may have had some some sort

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classic

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ufo contactees those guys in the 50s who

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said they met e.t they were from venus

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saturn

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and all these other places and we've

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asked

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a guy who was there and met up with

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these people

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raced stanford to join us ray welcome

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back

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well hello gene it's good to be here

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anyway welcome back

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hi hi chris

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now as i was mentioning in our previous

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segment ray before you joined us

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people are still interested in georgia

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damski and there was somebody going on

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radio shows and it was offered to us at

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the power cast

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and he claims uh he knows that adamski

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was telling the truth and his evidence

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was real

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what's the story how did you come to

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meet george adamski

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oh boy

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well i'll tell you i was of course when

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jordan came out with his claims his his

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book became available locally where i

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was living in corpus christi texas on

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about october

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13th 14th or 15th 1953

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and of course i was in

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an early year in high school and

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i was very interested in the ufos got

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inspired into it by donald keel's

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writings and so i heard about it there

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was an article i think in the paper and

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i went to the mcguinness bookstore and

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bought a copy and read it and

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as a naive teenager who didn't yet have

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his background in science i fell for it

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hook line and sinker

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and so um i in fact the very next well

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on the 15th of october i

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decided to paint a better version of the

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pictures on the front of flying saucers

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if landed which was guarded by damski

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and desmond leslie and i painted a nice

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picture of what was on the front with

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more color to it and

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really became a believer and so i

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communicated with adamski

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and i don't remember how i got in touch

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but back in those days there's no email

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it was all just hard copy letters and um

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uh had some nice communication with him

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and uh got copies of all of his uh in

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eight by eight by ten copies from the

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original negatives of most of his his

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major photographs that he claimed to

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have taken of craft

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and um

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but uh it wasn't until later that i i

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completely wised up to him i mean i was

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so taken in that i mean i interpreted

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experiences i had with ufos

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multi-witness experiences but we never

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saw anything like adamski was describing

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but i interpret them in those terms and

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uh and thus i i sort of cast myself in

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the role of a contactee i thought to

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myself well i thought some of these were

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psy mediated or somehow telepathically

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mediated later on in my research with

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instruments we found out what i was

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really sensing was the extreme frequency

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magnetic field affecting uh a kind of

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euphoria a false sense of well-being in

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you that had been misinterpreted as

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something telepathic or psychic from

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friendly space brother aliens but anyway

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the way i got to moving into it i

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finally when i graduated from high

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school in 1956 i went out to california

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and had my first meeting with adamski

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and had a series of meetings with him

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and visits there over the next uh let's

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see 56 758 may have been one in early 59

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and that's where i learned what i

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learned about him and what he confessed

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to my brother and me

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all right you say he confessed what did

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he confess

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well shall i just go to that or shall i

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kind of give you the conversation the

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context of the conversation what

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happened let's go into the context of

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the conversation to give everybody a

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perspective good

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uh okay a friend of mine

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bob matthews and i and

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my twin brother had driven in from texas

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from corpus christi texas and this of

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course on the slopes of mount palomar

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california southern california and

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we arrived in there about we had been

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today

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adamski knew me from first

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correspondence in the late 50s and and

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then from several visits beginning in

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the summer of 1956

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so

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you know i was not an unknown driving up

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in this driveway at uh

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at about 11 15 or so at night one night

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when we drove in from texas

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and um it was quite interesting we we

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didn't know where we're going to stay

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but we we drove up there and so

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lucy mcginnis who was the one who was

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his secretary uh

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came to the door and came out of the car

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and said well now you boys are going to

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have to go down the valley somewhere and

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find a place to stay

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and uh but

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the prof prophets they called him

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adamski came through the door

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and he said oh no he said uh come on you

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guys come on in you know we we can you

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can set up

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you sleep up there in lucy's office up

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there up the hill

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and let's end up what we did but uh uh

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that night something very interesting

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happened we were there and i was you

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know was drawing near midnight we were

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sitting in

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uh the the living room a little house

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there where he and alice wells and lucy

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mcginnis

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uh lived and uh

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you know almost loves the palomar and um

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uh

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adamski was telling us he said oh you

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boys you spoke in a strong polish accent

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oh boys you should have been up here the

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other day

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we arrived up the side of the mountain

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here above the mountain there was a huge

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mother ship

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oh there she was so big mr mississippi

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from san diego they were here they saw

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it too it was bigger the side of the

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house hell that's the closest i've ever

543
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been to one of them things

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oh oh oh well i mean except he went up

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in his sight

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and my jaw probably kind of dropped

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because inside the spaceships had

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already been published and he had just

549
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said that was the closest he's ever been

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to one of the things well except it went

551
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to many sides but anyway

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we

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took the invitation and

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set up bed rolls um up in lucy's uh

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office uh up the hill and uh

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i spent the night and uh the next

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morning rex and i went down to uh we

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were invited down to the uh

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to the

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damski was having breakfast

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and

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he was sitting there

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having as he called it equinock

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after eknock prepared by alice wells now

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i'm not prepared to say what was in the

566
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eknock

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but uh i had a feeling that it was uh

568
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it was it was fairly well spiked

569
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he didn't let you taste it

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no no he he offered us to have some but

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and so

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but he was just real friendly and and

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nice that morning and he said oh you

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boys you know well the first thing he

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young to know what a son of a that

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hell

579
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the prohibition was a good thing for me

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i i um i heard that i think it was

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sacred or royal or anyway some order of

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tibet and going and he says he says and

583
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i i could make i could make wine for

584
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religious ceremony

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hell you know um i was the biggest

586
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bootlegger in southern california

587
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oh well i mean accepting uh no i'm sorry

588
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i'm getting around straight

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he says i was the biggest bootlegger in

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southern california and i said you mean

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you you're you're making more than you

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needed in your ceremony

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you know it is he said we're doing

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really well you know what if it hadn't

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been without my roosevelt i wouldn't

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have to get into all this sausage crap

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this is exact words

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[Music]

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this is jacques

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you're listening to the paracast

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[Music]

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okay remembrances of a former bootlegger

714
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george adamski

715
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with ray stanford ray please continue

716
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okay and by the way i should mention to

717
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someone uh possibly rich hyden uh or

718
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someone anyway did an investigation said

719
00:27:43,990 --> 00:27:42,240
well the damski

720
00:27:45,510 --> 00:27:44,000
thing never they never never had a

721
00:27:47,830 --> 00:27:45,520
license to produce

722
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wine for religious ceremonies well that

723
00:27:52,070 --> 00:27:50,559
doesn't mean anything adamski was a liar

724
00:27:53,190 --> 00:27:52,080
and maybe they're reducing and figuring

725
00:27:54,710 --> 00:27:53,200
they ever got caught they just say it

726
00:27:56,630 --> 00:27:54,720
was for ceremonies i don't know but

727
00:27:57,909 --> 00:27:56,640
anyway he said there was he was the

728
00:27:59,830 --> 00:27:57,919
biggest bootlegger in southern

729
00:28:02,470 --> 00:27:59,840
california or something like that

730
00:28:04,630 --> 00:28:02,480
uh that didn't impress me but uh i felt

731
00:28:06,630 --> 00:28:04,640
he was at least being honest so then he

732
00:28:09,430 --> 00:28:06,640
got onto the subject of uh

733
00:28:10,310 --> 00:28:09,440
physical space visitors he said boys you

734
00:28:12,389 --> 00:28:10,320
know

735
00:28:14,470 --> 00:28:12,399
i never had to have any physical contact

736
00:28:15,510 --> 00:28:14,480
with the space brothers to know all

737
00:28:17,510 --> 00:28:15,520
about it

738
00:28:19,750 --> 00:28:17,520
if you want to see the proof go back up

739
00:28:21,590 --> 00:28:19,760
to the office there to a bookshelf on

740
00:28:23,110 --> 00:28:21,600
the north side of

741
00:28:25,669 --> 00:28:23,120
lucy's office there and you'll find a

742
00:28:27,430 --> 00:28:25,679
book called pioneers of space you read

743
00:28:28,789 --> 00:28:27,440
that you'll see the same thing is in the

744
00:28:30,950 --> 00:28:28,799
is in

745
00:28:32,950 --> 00:28:30,960
inside the spaceships he says you see i

746
00:28:35,590 --> 00:28:32,960
never had to have any contact with them

747
00:28:37,909 --> 00:28:35,600
physical it was it's all spiritual it's

748
00:28:39,750 --> 00:28:37,919
a unified state of consciousness and he

749
00:28:41,430 --> 00:28:39,760
said that's how i know all these things

750
00:28:42,950 --> 00:28:41,440
he's basically telling us well you know

751
00:28:45,590 --> 00:28:42,960
guys i really didn't meet these guys i

752
00:28:47,830 --> 00:28:45,600
claimed you know it was a psychic thing

753
00:28:49,430 --> 00:28:47,840
i guess is what he was claiming and uh

754
00:28:51,350 --> 00:28:49,440
we thought it was odd that he was saying

755
00:28:53,990 --> 00:28:51,360
all of that i mean it just seemed odd

756
00:28:55,990 --> 00:28:54,000
because it seemed like that it was a

757
00:28:59,350 --> 00:28:56,000
kind of a confession that you know

758
00:29:01,990 --> 00:28:59,360
really he'd written uh that that book

759
00:29:03,750 --> 00:29:02,000
pioneers to space years before i have a

760
00:29:05,110 --> 00:29:03,760
copy of it here somewhere it was kind of

761
00:29:07,510 --> 00:29:05,120
puzzling that he was making these

762
00:29:10,149 --> 00:29:07,520
statements well shortly he seemed to

763
00:29:11,190 --> 00:29:10,159
loosen up more with increasing equinox

764
00:29:15,990 --> 00:29:11,200
and

765
00:29:17,190 --> 00:29:16,000
me let me backtrack a little bit here in

766
00:29:19,029 --> 00:29:17,200
other visits

767
00:29:20,870 --> 00:29:19,039
he had uh well the first thing we've

768
00:29:23,110 --> 00:29:20,880
noticed first time ever came up there in

769
00:29:24,470 --> 00:29:23,120
in lucy's office there was a big

770
00:29:26,549 --> 00:29:24,480
beautiful painting

771
00:29:28,389 --> 00:29:26,559
uh over to where she would set her desk

772
00:29:29,750 --> 00:29:28,399
to beat her right on the wall

773
00:29:31,750 --> 00:29:29,760
there which i presume was probably the

774
00:29:33,510 --> 00:29:31,760
east wall some parts of it reminded me

775
00:29:36,950 --> 00:29:33,520
of something out of the uh

776
00:29:39,430 --> 00:29:36,960
the sistine chapel uh uh i mean there's

777
00:29:41,029 --> 00:29:39,440
uh there's a pool of water and there's a

778
00:29:42,310 --> 00:29:41,039
beautiful person leaning over there with

779
00:29:44,230 --> 00:29:42,320
their arms sticking out kind of like you

780
00:29:46,070 --> 00:29:44,240
see as god's hand or whatever in the

781
00:29:47,990 --> 00:29:46,080
sistine chapel but it was beautifully

782
00:29:49,990 --> 00:29:48,000
done and i said who did that painting

783
00:29:52,389 --> 00:29:50,000
it's very nice it was very

784
00:29:55,190 --> 00:29:52,399
very competent i mean very not only

785
00:29:57,590 --> 00:29:55,200
artistic it was technically superb

786
00:29:59,909 --> 00:29:57,600
and uh and uh

787
00:30:01,110 --> 00:29:59,919
elizabeth said well that profited that

788
00:30:03,590 --> 00:30:01,120
years ago

789
00:30:05,269 --> 00:30:03,600
and so anyway at some point we got to

790
00:30:06,789 --> 00:30:05,279
talking with him about his artistic

791
00:30:10,230 --> 00:30:06,799
ability i think he brought up the

792
00:30:11,909 --> 00:30:10,240
subject and in one of the visits he

793
00:30:13,510 --> 00:30:11,919
told us he said you know i'm not only

794
00:30:14,950 --> 00:30:13,520
good with the brush but i'm good with

795
00:30:17,190 --> 00:30:14,960
the airbrush

796
00:30:19,590 --> 00:30:17,200
and so he pulled out some paintings of

797
00:30:21,110 --> 00:30:19,600
nude uh women that that he had done with

798
00:30:23,190 --> 00:30:21,120
the airbrush or with the help of an

799
00:30:25,750 --> 00:30:23,200
airbrush and

800
00:30:27,750 --> 00:30:25,760
and they too were excellent i mean he

801
00:30:29,269 --> 00:30:27,760
had a really realistic touch even with

802
00:30:31,990 --> 00:30:29,279
with the airbrush

803
00:30:34,549 --> 00:30:32,000
so uh he kept stressing how good an

804
00:30:36,710 --> 00:30:34,559
artist he was and uh

805
00:30:39,269 --> 00:30:36,720
but anyway that morning that he had told

806
00:30:41,430 --> 00:30:39,279
us about the bootlegging operation

807
00:30:43,029 --> 00:30:41,440
he said well you know boys

808
00:30:44,630 --> 00:30:43,039
he went into the thing about that he

809
00:30:45,990 --> 00:30:44,640
didn't have to meet any space visitors

810
00:30:48,149 --> 00:30:46,000
physically

811
00:30:50,149 --> 00:30:48,159
and then he said i want to show you boys

812
00:30:52,389 --> 00:30:50,159
my laboratory

813
00:30:55,909 --> 00:30:52,399
and so he took us down

814
00:30:57,350 --> 00:30:55,919
uh on the the highway this little house

815
00:30:59,269 --> 00:30:57,360
was elevated the level we've been

816
00:31:01,190 --> 00:30:59,279
sitting on in the kitchen for example

817
00:31:02,630 --> 00:31:01,200
around the kitchen table

818
00:31:04,950 --> 00:31:02,640
was uh

819
00:31:07,269 --> 00:31:04,960
would be elevated the the uh let's say

820
00:31:08,630 --> 00:31:07,279
probably the south end of it is elevated

821
00:31:10,549 --> 00:31:08,640
above the ground so when you went around

822
00:31:12,389 --> 00:31:10,559
that side of the house there was a small

823
00:31:14,950 --> 00:31:12,399
space under the house that had a wall

824
00:31:16,830 --> 00:31:14,960
built there and the door no windows and

825
00:31:19,830 --> 00:31:16,840
uh he caught in his

826
00:31:22,310 --> 00:31:19,840
workshop and lo and behold he took us

827
00:31:23,110 --> 00:31:22,320
down there unlocked the door

828
00:31:24,389 --> 00:31:23,120
and

829
00:31:26,470 --> 00:31:24,399
several things

830
00:31:28,950 --> 00:31:26,480
grabbed me immediately well first place

831
00:31:31,669 --> 00:31:28,960
to the left of the door on the floor

832
00:31:33,430 --> 00:31:31,679
was a good sized canister that had very

833
00:31:34,549 --> 00:31:33,440
thick walls i'd say

834
00:31:35,590 --> 00:31:34,559
i don't know they're half inch or an

835
00:31:37,669 --> 00:31:35,600
inch thick

836
00:31:39,269 --> 00:31:37,679
but it had a big sticker on the

837
00:31:41,190 --> 00:31:39,279
lid and the side that said danger

838
00:31:42,389 --> 00:31:41,200
radioactivity had the radioactive sign

839
00:31:43,590 --> 00:31:42,399
on it

840
00:31:46,070 --> 00:31:43,600
and

841
00:31:48,789 --> 00:31:46,080
in the in the midst of the room he had a

842
00:31:51,590 --> 00:31:48,799
bunch of little discs hanging from uh

843
00:31:53,029 --> 00:31:51,600
very thin i guess it was uh

844
00:31:55,350 --> 00:31:53,039
probably uh

845
00:31:57,669 --> 00:31:55,360
like the the leader used in catching

846
00:32:00,230 --> 00:31:57,679
fish you touched your hook on two uh any

847
00:32:02,549 --> 00:32:00,240
little nylon filaments i guess you'd say

848
00:32:04,070 --> 00:32:02,559
and uh he had these little discs the the

849
00:32:06,230 --> 00:32:04,080
connection went right to the middle and

850
00:32:08,070 --> 00:32:06,240
they're hanging horizontally and he says

851
00:32:09,909 --> 00:32:08,080
let me show you some he closed the door

852
00:32:12,070 --> 00:32:09,919
and the discs are glowing

853
00:32:14,470 --> 00:32:12,080
and i recognized the pattern

854
00:32:17,269 --> 00:32:14,480
it was the glowing pattern of disc that

855
00:32:19,110 --> 00:32:17,279
uh i had seen in his mothership

856
00:32:21,909 --> 00:32:19,120
photographs with the dark object and lo

857
00:32:24,149 --> 00:32:21,919
and behold i looked behind

858
00:32:25,509 --> 00:32:24,159
where this was it was below it it was a

859
00:32:28,950 --> 00:32:25,519
table-like thing

860
00:32:30,630 --> 00:32:28,960
and falling down behind it was a big

861
00:32:31,990 --> 00:32:30,640
uh painting

862
00:32:35,190 --> 00:32:32,000
with a dark

863
00:32:37,029 --> 00:32:35,200
black mothership light thing

864
00:32:38,710 --> 00:32:37,039
that was uh that was there that

865
00:32:40,870 --> 00:32:38,720
apparently had originally been

866
00:32:41,830 --> 00:32:40,880
behind these discs where when you see

867
00:32:43,110 --> 00:32:41,840
them you would think that was the

868
00:32:44,149 --> 00:32:43,120
mothership and these are the little

869
00:32:46,789 --> 00:32:44,159
saucers

870
00:32:48,310 --> 00:32:46,799
that were around it well before i could

871
00:32:50,789 --> 00:32:48,320
even begin to

872
00:32:53,590 --> 00:32:50,799
collect my thoughts and my astonishment

873
00:32:55,029 --> 00:32:53,600
uh adamski took a screwdriver and pried

874
00:32:57,669 --> 00:32:55,039
open this lid

875
00:32:59,269 --> 00:32:57,679
and then our stuff is glowing

876
00:33:00,549 --> 00:32:59,279
and uh

877
00:33:01,990 --> 00:33:00,559
i said cro

878
00:33:05,909 --> 00:33:02,000
close that up

879
00:33:07,590 --> 00:33:05,919
did you get this

880
00:33:08,630 --> 00:33:07,600
and he said well some scientists down

881
00:33:10,630 --> 00:33:08,640
from the

882
00:33:13,110 --> 00:33:10,640
naval laboratory down in i think he said

883
00:33:14,470 --> 00:33:13,120
san diego uh they got it for me

884
00:33:17,350 --> 00:33:14,480
he didn't tell me what he told him and

885
00:33:19,350 --> 00:33:17,360
why he wanted it now when i uh i told

886
00:33:20,549 --> 00:33:19,360
this to a guy that's done a

887
00:33:22,789 --> 00:33:20,559
there's an

888
00:33:25,269 --> 00:33:22,799
online adamski exposing book in in

889
00:33:26,870 --> 00:33:25,279
europe that uh ran by a guy and when i

890
00:33:29,269 --> 00:33:26,880
told him this he insists well that this

891
00:33:31,430 --> 00:33:29,279
was just phosphorus well i don't think

892
00:33:33,590 --> 00:33:31,440
it was just phosphorus because

893
00:33:35,430 --> 00:33:33,600
uh i've you know i admit i haven't seen

894
00:33:37,509 --> 00:33:35,440
phosphorus containers but i don't think

895
00:33:40,230 --> 00:33:37,519
they have that big radiation symbol on

896
00:33:42,389 --> 00:33:40,240
them and and say danger radioactivity

897
00:33:43,909 --> 00:33:42,399
i'll have to do checking onto that but

898
00:33:45,590 --> 00:33:43,919
whether it was phosphor whatever it said

899
00:33:47,509 --> 00:33:45,600
it was radioactive and it glowed like

900
00:33:49,269 --> 00:33:47,519
crazy i thought phosphorus you had to

901
00:33:51,350 --> 00:33:49,279
expose it to light for a while and it

902
00:33:53,669 --> 00:33:51,360
absorbs light and then it re-emits it

903
00:33:56,070 --> 00:33:53,679
over a period of time but the moment he

904
00:33:57,669 --> 00:33:56,080
opened this up he had the door closed he

905
00:34:00,230 --> 00:33:57,679
pried that open and

906
00:34:01,669 --> 00:34:00,240
this thing is glowing like crazy but

907
00:34:03,590 --> 00:34:01,679
basically he was

908
00:34:05,509 --> 00:34:03,600
you know he was showing us how he faked

909
00:34:07,269 --> 00:34:05,519
these which then explained what i had

910
00:34:09,750 --> 00:34:07,279
seen one time when i was out at van

911
00:34:11,109 --> 00:34:09,760
tassel's giant rock and the little place

912
00:34:13,589 --> 00:34:11,119
where you could buy food there called

913
00:34:15,349 --> 00:34:13,599
the come on in that his wife ran

914
00:34:17,589 --> 00:34:15,359
on the walls he had some of damski's

915
00:34:19,030 --> 00:34:17,599
so-called mothership pictures

916
00:34:21,430 --> 00:34:19,040
and uh

917
00:34:22,230 --> 00:34:21,440
one of them showed that black mothership

918
00:34:24,230 --> 00:34:22,240
all

919
00:34:26,389 --> 00:34:24,240
twisted up as if it had

920
00:34:27,909 --> 00:34:26,399
shrunk and warped and uh what i believe

921
00:34:30,310 --> 00:34:27,919
is that adamski took a series of

922
00:34:33,190 --> 00:34:30,320
pictures with his his the big camera he

923
00:34:34,790 --> 00:34:33,200
used to to fake these things and that he

924
00:34:36,790 --> 00:34:34,800
uh that

925
00:34:39,109 --> 00:34:36,800
he forgot that one of them the thing had

926
00:34:40,710 --> 00:34:39,119
warped it was the thing i saw there

927
00:34:42,389 --> 00:34:40,720
clearly had been painted on the side

928
00:34:43,829 --> 00:34:42,399
that was going to face the camera but

929
00:34:45,669 --> 00:34:43,839
not painting on the other side what this

930
00:34:49,109 --> 00:34:45,679
does it allows the backside to absorb

931
00:34:51,030 --> 00:34:49,119
moisture and so it curves forward and uh

932
00:34:53,750 --> 00:34:51,040
unless you have it tacked up you know

933
00:34:55,589 --> 00:34:53,760
very flat and flush straight and plain

934
00:34:58,230 --> 00:34:55,599
that that would explain the picture that

935
00:34:59,510 --> 00:34:58,240
uh i don't know why van tasso chose to

936
00:35:02,470 --> 00:34:59,520
have that particular one on his wall

937
00:35:04,150 --> 00:35:02,480
because it was the most obviously

938
00:35:05,670 --> 00:35:04,160
problematic picture of adamski's

939
00:35:07,589 --> 00:35:05,680
mothership photos not nearly as nice

940
00:35:09,270 --> 00:35:07,599
looking as the ones in the book or which

941
00:35:12,069 --> 00:35:09,280
he had sent me eight by ten glossy

942
00:35:14,870 --> 00:35:12,079
copies of from his original negatives a

943
00:35:17,109 --> 00:35:14,880
couple of years before but anyway that's

944
00:35:19,589 --> 00:35:17,119
what we saw and

945
00:35:21,270 --> 00:35:19,599
so here he had told us in within an

946
00:35:22,870 --> 00:35:21,280
hour's time that basically that

947
00:35:24,710 --> 00:35:22,880
apparently he never met any space

948
00:35:26,630 --> 00:35:24,720
visitors physically but that he psyched

949
00:35:28,470 --> 00:35:26,640
us all out and wrote the book

950
00:35:29,670 --> 00:35:28,480
and then took us down and he'd been

951
00:35:31,670 --> 00:35:29,680
showing me what a good artist went took

952
00:35:33,750 --> 00:35:31,680
it down and showed me you know how he he

953
00:35:36,950 --> 00:35:33,760
faked these scoutship uh photographs

954
00:35:39,349 --> 00:35:36,960
with the mothership and uh that's that's

955
00:35:41,349 --> 00:35:39,359
part of the expose of adamski what's

956
00:35:42,870 --> 00:35:41,359
interesting to me here is why did he

957
00:35:45,109 --> 00:35:42,880
volunteer

958
00:35:46,870 --> 00:35:45,119
to you and your brother how he fakes

959
00:35:49,190 --> 00:35:46,880
this stuff

960
00:35:51,510 --> 00:35:49,200
yeah right well you know what this is

961
00:35:54,710 --> 00:35:51,520
the question that that has dwelled on my

962
00:35:56,310 --> 00:35:54,720
mind all these years since and the only

963
00:35:58,550 --> 00:35:56,320
rationale i can get is this let me

964
00:36:01,430 --> 00:35:58,560
backtrack a little bit adamski yes he

965
00:36:03,270 --> 00:36:01,440
was a con man yes he was a liar yes he

966
00:36:05,030 --> 00:36:03,280
made these stories i believe though at

967
00:36:06,470 --> 00:36:05,040
some level he really believed that he

968
00:36:08,710 --> 00:36:06,480
had psyched this out and was telling the

969
00:36:09,829 --> 00:36:08,720
world something he thought was real but

970
00:36:10,950 --> 00:36:09,839
tried to convince him with this and

971
00:36:13,589 --> 00:36:10,960
decided it wouldn't hurt if it made a

972
00:36:15,910 --> 00:36:13,599
little money on the side but

973
00:36:18,230 --> 00:36:15,920
back in my very earliest communications

974
00:36:19,670 --> 00:36:18,240
with him when i was in high school

975
00:36:20,630 --> 00:36:19,680
he kept telling me something quite

976
00:36:22,310 --> 00:36:20,640
interesting

977
00:36:24,390 --> 00:36:22,320
it suggested to me maybe that he was a

978
00:36:26,150 --> 00:36:24,400
little psychic because

979
00:36:28,870 --> 00:36:26,160
i believe i'm a bit psychic my

980
00:36:31,270 --> 00:36:28,880
grandmother certainly was and uh i

981
00:36:33,829 --> 00:36:31,280
believe there are psychic phenomena and

982
00:36:35,910 --> 00:36:33,839
uh when i was there at times

983
00:36:37,589 --> 00:36:35,920
it's it's almost as if he would acquire

984
00:36:40,470 --> 00:36:37,599
out of my mind a question i was about to

985
00:36:41,910 --> 00:36:40,480
ask but was hesitant to ask and he would

986
00:36:44,390 --> 00:36:41,920
come up with the answer or make some

987
00:36:47,510 --> 00:36:44,400
comment on what i was thinking more of

988
00:36:49,670 --> 00:36:47,520
ray stanford's remembrances of george

989
00:36:59,440 --> 00:36:49,680
adamski and more with gene and chris

990
00:37:04,069 --> 00:37:00,550
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1092
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if george adamsky was reading you

1093
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psychically

1094
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ray stanford did he sense your

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skepticism or what well i don't know

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that but let's go back to high school

1097
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the letter in this letter he said ray

1098
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keep this on the physical level that

1099
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made me think that he had some at least

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unconscious

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knowledge that i might tend to get

1102
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involved with the psychic side of this

1103
00:42:01,910 --> 00:42:00,560
that he was saying no keep this on the

1104
00:42:03,750 --> 00:42:01,920
physical level basically that was his

1105
00:42:05,349 --> 00:42:03,760
mistake it was all what he thought was

1106
00:42:06,870 --> 00:42:05,359
psychic and he's saying i guess he's

1107
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saying don't get in the mess you know i

1108
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put myself into but he's telling me this

1109
00:42:12,470 --> 00:42:10,800
showed me that there was a sign of a

1110
00:42:14,630 --> 00:42:12,480
damski that was not all bad that he

1111
00:42:16,150 --> 00:42:14,640
cared for this young man

1112
00:42:18,390 --> 00:42:16,160
and his brother and others he might be

1113
00:42:19,270 --> 00:42:18,400
in contact with and perhaps at some

1114
00:42:21,510 --> 00:42:19,280
level

1115
00:42:24,230 --> 00:42:21,520
after he got to know me especially from

1116
00:42:27,190 --> 00:42:24,240
19 uh well when i started corresponding

1117
00:42:30,150 --> 00:42:27,200
with i guess in 54 or 55 i'm not sure

1118
00:42:32,150 --> 00:42:30,160
i'd have to check the letters but uh

1119
00:42:33,750 --> 00:42:32,160
finally to that final day when he

1120
00:42:36,630 --> 00:42:33,760
exposed himself

1121
00:42:38,630 --> 00:42:36,640
i really think that he decided that

1122
00:42:39,910 --> 00:42:38,640
this only rational like rationalization

1123
00:42:41,990 --> 00:42:39,920
i can come up with it might not be right

1124
00:42:44,309 --> 00:42:42,000
but i think it is i hope it is

1125
00:42:46,630 --> 00:42:44,319
he decided look here are these two twins

1126
00:42:47,750 --> 00:42:46,640
they're intelligent men with young men

1127
00:42:50,309 --> 00:42:47,760
with with

1128
00:42:51,910 --> 00:42:50,319
good prospects for a future why don't i

1129
00:42:53,270 --> 00:42:51,920
level with them nobody's going to

1130
00:42:55,030 --> 00:42:53,280
believe me if they say otherwise that i

1131
00:42:56,790 --> 00:42:55,040
even told them that and let them

1132
00:42:58,550 --> 00:42:56,800
straighten their lives out now that that

1133
00:43:00,390 --> 00:42:58,560
that's a compassionate

1134
00:43:01,750 --> 00:43:00,400
interpretation of adamski which most

1135
00:43:04,870 --> 00:43:01,760
people consider it be a worthless

1136
00:43:07,670 --> 00:43:04,880
convent but i think he had a more human

1137
00:43:08,870 --> 00:43:07,680
sensitive caring side to him and let me

1138
00:43:11,430 --> 00:43:08,880
say too

1139
00:43:13,510 --> 00:43:11,440
that i don't believe what i read in in

1140
00:43:15,589 --> 00:43:13,520
the writings of a certain so-called

1141
00:43:18,150 --> 00:43:15,599
futurist from the uk

1142
00:43:20,710 --> 00:43:18,160
that adamski was a federalist feeding

1143
00:43:22,870 --> 00:43:20,720
off young men if he was i never saw

1144
00:43:24,710 --> 00:43:22,880
evidence of it he never tried to touch

1145
00:43:26,230 --> 00:43:24,720
me or my twin brother

1146
00:43:28,230 --> 00:43:26,240
and a lot of other people did out there

1147
00:43:30,230 --> 00:43:28,240
in california but he sure didn't he

1148
00:43:31,349 --> 00:43:30,240
never showed any of that to anybody that

1149
00:43:32,870 --> 00:43:31,359
when we were around there sometimes

1150
00:43:34,630 --> 00:43:32,880
there were other young people he was in

1151
00:43:36,790 --> 00:43:34,640
contact with i never saw anything that

1152
00:43:38,630 --> 00:43:36,800
suggests that to me

1153
00:43:42,230 --> 00:43:38,640
but you can't say that about all the

1154
00:43:44,230 --> 00:43:42,240
contactees oh no no no i can't indeed i

1155
00:43:45,990 --> 00:43:44,240
could i could get onto rick williamson

1156
00:43:47,990 --> 00:43:46,000
for example

1157
00:43:51,109 --> 00:43:48,000
well you know what let's move past that

1158
00:43:53,270 --> 00:43:51,119
one as far as adamski then he shows you

1159
00:43:55,750 --> 00:43:53,280
how he fakes his photos maybe he had

1160
00:43:57,829 --> 00:43:55,760
some encounters early on he wrote a book

1161
00:44:00,630 --> 00:43:57,839
that even ray palmer had said he had

1162
00:44:02,710 --> 00:44:00,640
seen that to him demonstrated

1163
00:44:03,589 --> 00:44:02,720
that adamski

1164
00:44:05,270 --> 00:44:03,599
was

1165
00:44:06,950 --> 00:44:05,280
either reporting an earlier experience

1166
00:44:09,829 --> 00:44:06,960
or just making it up

1167
00:44:12,309 --> 00:44:09,839
yes well let me let me

1168
00:44:13,109 --> 00:44:12,319
then go into what rick williamson told

1169
00:44:15,670 --> 00:44:13,119
me

1170
00:44:18,710 --> 00:44:15,680
related to that first uh so-called

1171
00:44:21,109 --> 00:44:18,720
contact on the desert on uh november uh

1172
00:44:22,950 --> 00:44:21,119
20th before you do that that's george

1173
00:44:23,910 --> 00:44:22,960
hunt williamson folks they called him

1174
00:44:25,589 --> 00:44:23,920
rick

1175
00:44:26,630 --> 00:44:25,599
go ahead right

1176
00:44:29,030 --> 00:44:26,640
anyway

1177
00:44:31,430 --> 00:44:29,040
and i had a lot of exposure to rick a

1178
00:44:33,190 --> 00:44:31,440
lot more than i preferred to him but

1179
00:44:35,670 --> 00:44:33,200
anyway

1180
00:44:37,670 --> 00:44:35,680
here's what rick said he became more and

1181
00:44:40,309 --> 00:44:37,680
more dubious of what happened out there

1182
00:44:42,790 --> 00:44:40,319
on the desert as time passed now here's

1183
00:44:46,470 --> 00:44:42,800
what he said before that date of

1184
00:44:49,030 --> 00:44:46,480
november 20th uh he was up at adamski's

1185
00:44:51,030 --> 00:44:49,040
and adamski who was damn scout shouldn't

1186
00:44:53,109 --> 00:44:51,040
mention for those that don't know he was

1187
00:44:55,349 --> 00:44:53,119
a so-called voice channel he'd been

1188
00:44:57,030 --> 00:44:55,359
channeling for years down at their the

1189
00:44:59,270 --> 00:44:57,040
headquarters organization they used to

1190
00:45:02,069 --> 00:44:59,280
have the order of whatever order of

1191
00:45:04,790 --> 00:45:02,079
tibet down in on the coast of california

1192
00:45:06,630 --> 00:45:04,800
there and uh i talked to a lady who had

1193
00:45:08,230 --> 00:45:06,640
been present on numerous of his his

1194
00:45:10,309 --> 00:45:08,240
voice challenges but on this particular

1195
00:45:11,750 --> 00:45:10,319
day it was just a private thing up at

1196
00:45:13,589 --> 00:45:11,760
the damskis and

1197
00:45:15,829 --> 00:45:13,599
i believe that the baileys were there

1198
00:45:18,390 --> 00:45:15,839
who courted the book uh sausage speak

1199
00:45:20,230 --> 00:45:18,400
with rick williamson and uh certainly

1200
00:45:21,670 --> 00:45:20,240
alice and lucy were there and adamski

1201
00:45:24,069 --> 00:45:21,680
that they made me the only ones that

1202
00:45:25,030 --> 00:45:24,079
were there as far as as i remember rick

1203
00:45:26,630 --> 00:45:25,040
saying

1204
00:45:28,870 --> 00:45:26,640
but on that day

1205
00:45:30,790 --> 00:45:28,880
something rather surprising came through

1206
00:45:32,550 --> 00:45:30,800
whoever was speaking i think rick said

1207
00:45:35,750 --> 00:45:32,560
it was supposed to be

1208
00:45:38,470 --> 00:45:35,760
adamski's tibetan master i do know that

1209
00:45:40,230 --> 00:45:38,480
uh adamski was wearing a crudely made

1210
00:45:42,309 --> 00:45:40,240
silver ring that had a very crudely made

1211
00:45:43,510 --> 00:45:42,319
face with a weird headgear on it i asked

1212
00:45:45,349 --> 00:45:43,520
him one day what it was and he said

1213
00:45:47,430 --> 00:45:45,359
that's my tibetan mascara master i

1214
00:45:49,430 --> 00:45:47,440
didn't ask him to explain that but

1215
00:45:51,910 --> 00:45:49,440
anyway i believe that rick said it was

1216
00:45:53,030 --> 00:45:51,920
supposed to be tibetan master but he

1217
00:45:54,550 --> 00:45:53,040
said that

1218
00:45:57,030 --> 00:45:54,560
the space brothers are going to make

1219
00:46:00,069 --> 00:45:57,040
contact with prof uh on the desert on

1220
00:46:02,870 --> 00:46:00,079
the 20th that rick was to uh to acquire

1221
00:46:05,109 --> 00:46:02,880
some plaster paris because his face

1222
00:46:06,630 --> 00:46:05,119
space there is going to be footprints

1223
00:46:08,390 --> 00:46:06,640
and um

1224
00:46:10,550 --> 00:46:08,400
there's never any explanation in the in

1225
00:46:12,550 --> 00:46:10,560
the flying sausage landed on why they

1226
00:46:14,710 --> 00:46:12,560
had plaster paris along but that's the

1227
00:46:17,430 --> 00:46:14,720
reason it says well it does say in there

1228
00:46:19,990 --> 00:46:17,440
that uh well he had advised the

1229
00:46:21,270 --> 00:46:20,000
doctor the great anthropologist rick

1230
00:46:22,470 --> 00:46:21,280
williamson to

1231
00:46:24,390 --> 00:46:22,480
to uh

1232
00:46:25,990 --> 00:46:24,400
uh bring political parents along in case

1233
00:46:28,390 --> 00:46:26,000
there anything they need to get

1234
00:46:29,750 --> 00:46:28,400
a cast of but actually the truth matter

1235
00:46:31,670 --> 00:46:29,760
is it was voiced down that that that

1236
00:46:34,390 --> 00:46:31,680
this visitor was going to actually leave

1237
00:46:36,309 --> 00:46:34,400
footprints and rick was to make cassian

1238
00:46:38,470 --> 00:46:36,319
bring water you know to mix the plaster

1239
00:46:39,829 --> 00:46:38,480
paris with and so on and which is what

1240
00:46:40,630 --> 00:46:39,839
uh he did

1241
00:46:42,150 --> 00:46:40,640
but

1242
00:46:44,069 --> 00:46:42,160
rick said that as far as what happened

1243
00:46:46,950 --> 00:46:44,079
out there in the desert that day as far

1244
00:46:48,550 --> 00:46:46,960
as he's concerned none of them saw

1245
00:46:51,030 --> 00:46:48,560
the argument it says in the book and it

1246
00:46:52,550 --> 00:46:51,040
has a drawing that supposedly uh alice

1247
00:46:53,750 --> 00:46:52,560
wells made

1248
00:46:55,750 --> 00:46:53,760
of this

1249
00:46:56,790 --> 00:46:55,760
exposed orton as he called him later a

1250
00:46:59,030 --> 00:46:56,800
visitor

1251
00:47:00,870 --> 00:46:59,040
well rick said you could not see an

1252
00:47:02,710 --> 00:47:00,880
occupant at all that none of them ever

1253
00:47:05,349 --> 00:47:02,720
saw that it wasn't true

1254
00:47:06,550 --> 00:47:05,359
he said they saw one or two flashes but

1255
00:47:08,790 --> 00:47:06,560
he said that could well have been

1256
00:47:10,550 --> 00:47:08,800
explained by the sunlight glenning off

1257
00:47:12,470 --> 00:47:10,560
of a shiny model

1258
00:47:13,589 --> 00:47:12,480
and he said one could suspicion that

1259
00:47:15,829 --> 00:47:13,599
because

1260
00:47:17,030 --> 00:47:15,839
by the time when they when they

1261
00:47:19,270 --> 00:47:17,040
they met and went out there to the

1262
00:47:20,309 --> 00:47:19,280
desert there was one large corrugated

1263
00:47:22,470 --> 00:47:20,319
box

1264
00:47:24,470 --> 00:47:22,480
and as he said prof said

1265
00:47:28,790 --> 00:47:24,480
nobody touched this box

1266
00:47:31,270 --> 00:47:28,800
and so he says that that's mine you know

1267
00:47:32,870 --> 00:47:31,280
i'll touch it so when they got out there

1268
00:47:34,390 --> 00:47:32,880
and adamski said well he had the

1269
00:47:35,510 --> 00:47:34,400
impression unit to go on over behind

1270
00:47:36,470 --> 00:47:35,520
this hill

1271
00:47:38,309 --> 00:47:36,480
um

1272
00:47:40,790 --> 00:47:38,319
why behind the hill we'll hear that

1273
00:47:42,150 --> 00:47:40,800
later another kind of line later but uh

1274
00:47:44,069 --> 00:47:42,160
uh

1275
00:47:45,349 --> 00:47:44,079
he he took this box with him he took his

1276
00:47:47,750 --> 00:47:45,359
telescope

1277
00:47:50,550 --> 00:47:47,760
along and his tripod for it but he

1278
00:47:52,309 --> 00:47:50,560
carries his big box well what's in there

1279
00:47:54,230 --> 00:47:52,319
uh it's far too big to just have the

1280
00:47:56,069 --> 00:47:54,240
camera and the photo plates it was it

1281
00:47:58,390 --> 00:47:56,079
was it was good size

1282
00:48:00,470 --> 00:47:58,400
and rick said he now pretty well

1283
00:48:02,550 --> 00:48:00,480
suspicions that uh

1284
00:48:05,589 --> 00:48:02,560
that it is uh

1285
00:48:09,030 --> 00:48:07,430
that he had the the um

1286
00:48:11,190 --> 00:48:09,040
the model in there he said he can't

1287
00:48:12,710 --> 00:48:11,200
prove it but that when damski came back

1288
00:48:14,630 --> 00:48:12,720
he had that box and nobody was still you

1289
00:48:16,550 --> 00:48:14,640
know it was put in the back of the i

1290
00:48:18,390 --> 00:48:16,560
think it was either a 41 ford or mercury

1291
00:48:20,790 --> 00:48:18,400
car that you're in it was put in the in

1292
00:48:21,670 --> 00:48:20,800
the trunk i think and uh he never saw it

1293
00:48:24,549 --> 00:48:21,680
again

1294
00:48:27,030 --> 00:48:24,559
okay that uh that is suspicious sounding

1295
00:48:29,109 --> 00:48:27,040
and so i asked rick about

1296
00:48:32,309 --> 00:48:29,119
the book said in the flames must have

1297
00:48:33,910 --> 00:48:32,319
landed uh it says that they saw what

1298
00:48:35,829 --> 00:48:33,920
they thought was a mother ship passed

1299
00:48:38,150 --> 00:48:35,839
over with an orange spot on the side of

1300
00:48:40,150 --> 00:48:38,160
it he said yes they saw something

1301
00:48:42,230 --> 00:48:40,160
kind of brilliant uh getting us and he

1302
00:48:44,470 --> 00:48:42,240
said however that he would have to con

1303
00:48:45,990 --> 00:48:44,480
that yes in the in the

1304
00:48:48,230 --> 00:48:46,000
in the mode in which he was in at that

1305
00:48:49,829 --> 00:48:48,240
time that yes they interpreted it might

1306
00:48:51,670 --> 00:48:49,839
be a mothership

1307
00:48:53,349 --> 00:48:51,680
but on the other hand he said it could

1308
00:48:55,990 --> 00:48:53,359
well have been a military aircraft

1309
00:48:57,990 --> 00:48:56,000
fairly large-sized military aircraft

1310
00:49:00,150 --> 00:48:58,000
just the size of the body gliding in the

1311
00:49:01,750 --> 00:49:00,160
sunlight and he said it he didn't

1312
00:49:04,390 --> 00:49:01,760
consider it unusual

1313
00:49:05,990 --> 00:49:04,400
back in the 50s for some uh

1314
00:49:07,589 --> 00:49:06,000
bright orange

1315
00:49:08,950 --> 00:49:07,599
paints have been put on the side for

1316
00:49:11,030 --> 00:49:08,960
various reasons they couldn't make out

1317
00:49:12,549 --> 00:49:11,040
any insignia or anything like that but

1318
00:49:14,309 --> 00:49:12,559
it was some kind of an orange something

1319
00:49:15,349 --> 00:49:14,319
it could have been a wing tank or

1320
00:49:16,390 --> 00:49:15,359
something

1321
00:49:17,910 --> 00:49:16,400
he didn't know

1322
00:49:20,710 --> 00:49:17,920
but that's what he told me he said he'd

1323
00:49:22,630 --> 00:49:20,720
grown very dubious of what happened

1324
00:49:24,950 --> 00:49:22,640
there on the desert in fact he told me

1325
00:49:28,390 --> 00:49:24,960
that and it was the last time that i saw

1326
00:49:29,990 --> 00:49:28,400
him which was probably in 1959

1327
00:49:32,710 --> 00:49:30,000
on the california coast where we met

1328
00:49:34,470 --> 00:49:32,720
down there in the la area

1329
00:49:35,430 --> 00:49:34,480
well right now this of course kind of

1330
00:49:38,069 --> 00:49:35,440
puts

1331
00:49:40,470 --> 00:49:38,079
the lie to people who claim that a

1332
00:49:41,829 --> 00:49:40,480
dempsey was a real deal why do we still

1333
00:49:49,829 --> 00:49:41,839
have people

1334
00:49:53,510 --> 00:49:51,670
the thing is let me mention one other

1335
00:49:54,390 --> 00:49:53,520
aspect of this that some people may not

1336
00:49:55,829 --> 00:49:54,400
know

1337
00:49:58,390 --> 00:49:55,839
um

1338
00:50:01,349 --> 00:49:58,400
when that happened in the desert adamski

1339
00:50:02,870 --> 00:50:01,359
then gave rick the photo place

1340
00:50:04,630 --> 00:50:02,880
and he said take them down to the i

1341
00:50:07,190 --> 00:50:04,640
think it was the phoenix gazette

1342
00:50:08,470 --> 00:50:07,200
and uh they can process them and uh

1343
00:50:10,390 --> 00:50:08,480
publish them you know give them the

1344
00:50:12,069 --> 00:50:10,400
story that contact's been made with

1345
00:50:14,069 --> 00:50:12,079
extraterrestrials let me mention too

1346
00:50:15,349 --> 00:50:14,079
that in that alleged contact

1347
00:50:18,470 --> 00:50:15,359
there was supposedly no english

1348
00:50:20,950 --> 00:50:18,480
exchanged with this supposed venusian it

1349
00:50:22,390 --> 00:50:20,960
was all solely symbolic language that he

1350
00:50:24,309 --> 00:50:22,400
pointed out that this was the planet

1351
00:50:27,109 --> 00:50:24,319
between earth and the sun

1352
00:50:29,109 --> 00:50:27,119
uh the next planted in toward the sun

1353
00:50:30,710 --> 00:50:29,119
and therefore reduced to venus strangely

1354
00:50:32,950 --> 00:50:30,720
enough when you read inside the

1355
00:50:34,710 --> 00:50:32,960
spaceships orton is speaking perfect

1356
00:50:36,710 --> 00:50:34,720
english and very good english

1357
00:50:38,150 --> 00:50:36,720
and uh so it's strange that he had to

1358
00:50:40,710 --> 00:50:38,160
communicate with him in sign language he

1359
00:50:42,950 --> 00:50:40,720
forgot what he had said in the initial

1360
00:50:45,109 --> 00:50:42,960
story i get i guess but anyway they uh

1361
00:50:46,630 --> 00:50:45,119
rick took this the uh the photo plates

1362
00:50:48,309 --> 00:50:46,640
down to the gazette i guess it was

1363
00:50:49,750 --> 00:50:48,319
whatever paper but

1364
00:50:51,589 --> 00:50:49,760
they processed them

1365
00:50:54,150 --> 00:50:51,599
and rick called

1366
00:50:55,109 --> 00:50:54,160
the prof damski on the phone and said

1367
00:50:57,190 --> 00:50:55,119
prof

1368
00:50:59,670 --> 00:50:57,200
these things are so bad he said they're

1369
00:51:01,030 --> 00:50:59,680
so carny looking he said i think they

1370
00:51:03,270 --> 00:51:01,040
published one of them i've never been

1371
00:51:04,950 --> 00:51:03,280
able to gain an access copy of the issue

1372
00:51:06,790 --> 00:51:04,960
of the paper but

1373
00:51:10,870 --> 00:51:06,800
he said

1374
00:51:12,549 --> 00:51:10,880
to make everything look like these

1375
00:51:14,150 --> 00:51:12,559
things are fake or something they're bad

1376
00:51:16,309 --> 00:51:14,160
prof what you ought to do with them and

1377
00:51:18,230 --> 00:51:16,319
prof said immediately on the phone

1378
00:51:20,230 --> 00:51:18,240
burn the damn things

1379
00:51:24,150 --> 00:51:20,240
pretty damn things

1380
00:51:26,549 --> 00:51:24,160
and uh i said rick said well

1381
00:51:27,349 --> 00:51:26,559
this is the only evidence he had he says

1382
00:51:29,190 --> 00:51:27,359
rick

1383
00:51:30,069 --> 00:51:29,200
i'm going to get some better ones

1384
00:51:31,430 --> 00:51:30,079
yeah

1385
00:51:33,349 --> 00:51:31,440
indeed he did

1386
00:51:35,510 --> 00:51:33,359
we got so much more to come with ray

1387
00:51:37,910 --> 00:51:35,520
stanford and gene and chris will get by

1388
00:51:50,470 --> 00:51:37,920
the way past the damp skin into dan fry

1389
00:51:58,150 --> 00:51:53,990
thank you for listening to gcn

1390
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about a beautiful woman pleading for his

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1400
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1401
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thrust him into a telepathic love affair

1402
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views add to these large trucks and

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buses

1435
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blind spots and like my apartment they

1436
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1437
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1438
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1439
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1440
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or too close behind them

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[Applause]

1443
00:54:13,670 --> 00:54:09,990
welcome back to the paracast the gold

1444
00:54:14,950 --> 00:54:13,680
standard of paranormal radio

1445
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:14,960
and now

1446
00:54:22,069 --> 00:54:18,290
here's jane steinberg

1447
00:54:27,030 --> 00:54:24,230
so i want to start wrapping this up ray

1448
00:54:28,950 --> 00:54:27,040
stanford with george adamski so

1449
00:54:29,829 --> 00:54:28,960
we have the photo

1450
00:54:32,150 --> 00:54:29,839
that

1451
00:54:34,390 --> 00:54:32,160
didn't come out right and he tells

1452
00:54:36,069 --> 00:54:34,400
george hunt williamson rick williamson

1453
00:54:38,390 --> 00:54:36,079
you know not to use it he'll get

1454
00:54:39,990 --> 00:54:38,400
something better to summarize all this i

1455
00:54:42,309 --> 00:54:40,000
want to ask you here because we can do

1456
00:54:44,470 --> 00:54:42,319
two shows just on a damski

1457
00:54:46,710 --> 00:54:44,480
it's obvious he faked this stuff maybe

1458
00:54:47,829 --> 00:54:46,720
he had some experiences earlier on

1459
00:54:50,069 --> 00:54:47,839
whatever

1460
00:54:53,270 --> 00:54:50,079
why do people today still insist he's

1461
00:54:55,109 --> 00:54:53,280
the real deal well you know

1462
00:54:57,030 --> 00:54:55,119
that's the same reason they they vote

1463
00:54:58,549 --> 00:54:57,040
for certain politicians i think it's

1464
00:54:59,910 --> 00:54:58,559
more of a religion

1465
00:55:01,349 --> 00:54:59,920
or a conviction that doesn't have a lot

1466
00:55:04,150 --> 00:55:01,359
of intellectual uh

1467
00:55:06,710 --> 00:55:04,160
strength behind it uh after all i mean

1468
00:55:08,309 --> 00:55:06,720
he's talking allegedly with the martians

1469
00:55:10,630 --> 00:55:08,319
and the nugents and jupiterians and

1470
00:55:14,390 --> 00:55:10,640
saturnians these are people that would

1471
00:55:16,150 --> 00:55:14,400
presume that bentard irrational beliefs

1472
00:55:18,230 --> 00:55:16,160
uh the same reason that people get into

1473
00:55:20,790 --> 00:55:18,240
certain religious beliefs that by our

1474
00:55:22,470 --> 00:55:20,800
standards seem irrational it's a

1475
00:55:24,470 --> 00:55:22,480
religion i think

1476
00:55:26,150 --> 00:55:24,480
is part of it it gives them something

1477
00:55:27,589 --> 00:55:26,160
they're probably frightened people they

1478
00:55:29,750 --> 00:55:27,599
realize their world is in a dangerous

1479
00:55:32,549 --> 00:55:29,760
situation could damage yourself blow

1480
00:55:34,309 --> 00:55:32,559
ourselves up with nuclear war and so

1481
00:55:35,910 --> 00:55:34,319
here are space brothers saying and we're

1482
00:55:37,510 --> 00:55:35,920
keeping eye on them we're trying to help

1483
00:55:39,430 --> 00:55:37,520
you no we're going to we're going to try

1484
00:55:41,109 --> 00:55:39,440
to do something it's a message of hope

1485
00:55:42,870 --> 00:55:41,119
for them despite the fact that

1486
00:55:45,270 --> 00:55:42,880
everything adamski said

1487
00:55:46,710 --> 00:55:45,280
is is proven untrue by modern science i

1488
00:55:47,589 --> 00:55:46,720
mean it's really funny i mean to talk

1489
00:55:49,190 --> 00:55:47,599
about a

1490
00:55:51,030 --> 00:55:49,200
venusian considering that we've actually

1491
00:55:52,870 --> 00:55:51,040
had uh i think two crafts now have

1492
00:55:54,230 --> 00:55:52,880
landed on the surface of venus and i

1493
00:55:56,230 --> 00:55:54,240
know one of them at least sent back some

1494
00:55:58,150 --> 00:55:56,240
awfully good images of the surface and

1495
00:56:00,309 --> 00:55:58,160
it's so hot and so incredible the craft

1496
00:56:02,150 --> 00:56:00,319
didn't last very long but uh certainly

1497
00:56:03,750 --> 00:56:02,160
uh orton with his long arctic hair and

1498
00:56:05,190 --> 00:56:03,760
blue eyes wouldn't have lasted very long

1499
00:56:08,069 --> 00:56:05,200
either there

1500
00:56:09,270 --> 00:56:08,079
a lot of those early contact d claims

1501
00:56:11,829 --> 00:56:09,280
mentioned

1502
00:56:14,309 --> 00:56:11,839
planets in our solar system if it's not

1503
00:56:16,470 --> 00:56:14,319
it's not venus it's saturn

1504
00:56:18,630 --> 00:56:16,480
or it's mars or something

1505
00:56:19,430 --> 00:56:18,640
and they couldn't really go beyond that

1506
00:56:21,030 --> 00:56:19,440
so

1507
00:56:22,230 --> 00:56:21,040
they were limited they weren't giving us

1508
00:56:24,069 --> 00:56:22,240
anything new

1509
00:56:26,150 --> 00:56:24,079
what could we learn though

1510
00:56:27,030 --> 00:56:26,160
in 2017

1511
00:56:29,109 --> 00:56:27,040
from

1512
00:56:30,950 --> 00:56:29,119
george adamski if anything

1513
00:56:31,829 --> 00:56:30,960
well we can learn that also people will

1514
00:56:32,630 --> 00:56:31,839
come along

1515
00:56:37,270 --> 00:56:32,640
like

1516
00:56:39,190 --> 00:56:37,280
claim that he took the pictures that

1517
00:56:41,430 --> 00:56:39,200
adamski took supposedly showing that the

1518
00:56:43,750 --> 00:56:41,440
scout ship right over the trees when he

1519
00:56:44,710 --> 00:56:43,760
didn't take them or later here in the dc

1520
00:56:46,549 --> 00:56:44,720
area

1521
00:56:48,950 --> 00:56:46,559
as you know that timothy good is pushing

1522
00:56:49,910 --> 00:56:48,960
some ridiculous absolutely

1523
00:56:51,990 --> 00:56:49,920
totally

1524
00:56:54,630 --> 00:56:52,000
fraudulent movie uh of a little model in

1525
00:56:56,710 --> 00:56:54,640
front of the camera and uh he takes it

1526
00:56:58,549 --> 00:56:56,720
and he says that uh well there's a

1527
00:57:01,270 --> 00:56:58,559
there's a nasa scientist looked at it

1528
00:57:03,510 --> 00:57:01,280
and said it's genuine well i'm sorry but

1529
00:57:05,190 --> 00:57:03,520
the man was not speaking for nasa he was

1530
00:57:06,309 --> 00:57:05,200
not even speaking as a scientist if he

1531
00:57:08,630 --> 00:57:06,319
looked at that and thought it was

1532
00:57:10,390 --> 00:57:08,640
genuine because it anybody that's ever

1533
00:57:12,789 --> 00:57:10,400
done photography

1534
00:57:14,150 --> 00:57:12,799
would know that it's just a small object

1535
00:57:17,030 --> 00:57:14,160
bubbling in front of the camera on a

1536
00:57:19,510 --> 00:57:17,040
pendulum but it shows that people can

1537
00:57:20,870 --> 00:57:19,520
get into an irrational mode

1538
00:57:23,510 --> 00:57:20,880
when there's something that has an

1539
00:57:25,750 --> 00:57:23,520
emotional appeal to them and it should

1540
00:57:27,589 --> 00:57:25,760
tell us to try to be more objective

1541
00:57:30,470 --> 00:57:27,599
fortunately i learned that that day at

1542
00:57:32,789 --> 00:57:30,480
adamski's place i'm thankful that he he

1543
00:57:34,470 --> 00:57:32,799
told us what he told us but i don't know

1544
00:57:37,270 --> 00:57:34,480
how long i would've been caught up in it

1545
00:57:39,190 --> 00:57:37,280
had he not done so but in my experiences

1546
00:57:40,950 --> 00:57:39,200
out there as you mentioned i mean i had

1547
00:57:42,470 --> 00:57:40,960
contact with quite a number of these

1548
00:57:44,789 --> 00:57:42,480
people that are in in the contact e

1549
00:57:47,270 --> 00:57:44,799
field and of course had a very extensive

1550
00:57:50,230 --> 00:57:47,280
contact with daniel w fry

1551
00:57:52,710 --> 00:57:50,240
and uh his claims and uh we could we

1552
00:57:54,950 --> 00:57:52,720
could talk about that but mainly i hope

1553
00:57:55,990 --> 00:57:54,960
that this just gives us cautious a

1554
00:57:59,190 --> 00:57:56,000
caution

1555
00:58:02,069 --> 00:57:59,200
about the danger of accepting without uh

1556
00:58:04,549 --> 00:58:02,079
do uh critical analysis and

1557
00:58:06,470 --> 00:58:04,559
and as in science uh one needs some peer

1558
00:58:09,510 --> 00:58:06,480
review to get people that that are used

1559
00:58:11,430 --> 00:58:09,520
to thinking analytically and ask them

1560
00:58:13,589 --> 00:58:11,440
what they think about it and i don't

1561
00:58:14,870 --> 00:58:13,599
believe any truly rational person today

1562
00:58:16,549 --> 00:58:14,880
could believe

1563
00:58:18,630 --> 00:58:16,559
literally adamski's claim they might

1564
00:58:19,829 --> 00:58:18,640
want to say well these space brothers

1565
00:58:21,270 --> 00:58:19,839
were fooling him they weren't really

1566
00:58:23,349 --> 00:58:21,280
from these planets you know that was

1567
00:58:25,750 --> 00:58:23,359
just a thing that just telling him that

1568
00:58:28,470 --> 00:58:25,760
but adamski told me he never met him

1569
00:58:30,150 --> 00:58:28,480
physically he never needed to he said

1570
00:58:33,190 --> 00:58:30,160
and he showed me how to take the picture

1571
00:58:35,990 --> 00:58:33,200
so the story was in my opinion hopes

1572
00:58:38,630 --> 00:58:36,000
from beginning to end except for perhaps

1573
00:58:41,030 --> 00:58:38,640
adamski's personal belief in his own

1574
00:58:42,789 --> 00:58:41,040
psychic ability and i think we all need

1575
00:58:44,950 --> 00:58:42,799
to get more objective about our feelings

1576
00:58:46,710 --> 00:58:44,960
about our own psychic ability because

1577
00:58:48,470 --> 00:58:46,720
i know as a person who have been

1578
00:58:50,230 --> 00:58:48,480
somewhat psychic all my life sometimes

1579
00:58:52,549 --> 00:58:50,240
their impressions are valid and

1580
00:58:55,030 --> 00:58:52,559
sometimes they're not we have to be uh

1581
00:58:56,470 --> 00:58:55,040
exercise critical judgment let's move on

1582
00:58:59,990 --> 00:58:56,480
to daniel

1583
00:59:01,270 --> 00:59:00,000
w fry now you saw this thread from our

1584
00:59:03,589 --> 00:59:01,280
forums where

1585
00:59:05,990 --> 00:59:03,599
a person who happens to be a scientist

1586
00:59:08,630 --> 00:59:06,000
was suggesting here that there are a lot

1587
00:59:10,870 --> 00:59:08,640
of things in what fry said that

1588
00:59:12,230 --> 00:59:10,880
accurately reflect

1589
00:59:16,630 --> 00:59:12,240
science

1590
00:59:19,349 --> 00:59:16,640
think absolutely not that that is not

1591
00:59:21,829 --> 00:59:19,359
correct i don't mean to insult anybody

1592
00:59:24,150 --> 00:59:21,839
but that is simply not uh not the case

1593
00:59:26,470 --> 00:59:24,160
let's see here i'm going to uh let me

1594
00:59:28,390 --> 00:59:26,480
let you find this right here a uh a

1595
00:59:30,230 --> 00:59:28,400
thing okay

1596
00:59:33,190 --> 00:59:30,240
fry for example it's really funny i you

1597
00:59:34,870 --> 00:59:33,200
know i i read his first book

1598
00:59:37,349 --> 00:59:34,880
the white science incident right after

1599
00:59:38,630 --> 00:59:37,359
came out and i read all his others

1600
00:59:39,430 --> 00:59:38,640
and um

1601
00:59:41,750 --> 00:59:39,440
and

1602
00:59:43,589 --> 00:59:41,760
even when i read read the book when it

1603
00:59:45,750 --> 00:59:43,599
first came out

1604
00:59:47,510 --> 00:59:45,760
even though i was at the time a diamond

1605
00:59:49,589 --> 00:59:47,520
will believe in the damski

1606
00:59:52,150 --> 00:59:49,599
when i read his writing i realized that

1607
00:59:54,230 --> 00:59:52,160
this was z grade

1608
00:59:57,030 --> 00:59:54,240
sci-fi writing

1609
00:59:58,789 --> 00:59:57,040
that he and i now that you know

1610
01:00:00,950 --> 00:59:58,799
even in the book there when you read

1611
01:00:02,069 --> 01:00:00,960
kevin you'll you'll read about his

1612
01:00:03,510 --> 01:00:02,079
background and he was totally

1613
01:00:05,109 --> 01:00:03,520
self-trained he had no

1614
01:00:07,030 --> 01:00:05,119
academic training he was

1615
01:00:09,910 --> 01:00:07,040
he was an engineer only by self-training

1616
01:00:10,789 --> 01:00:09,920
he was really not an engineer and

1617
01:00:13,270 --> 01:00:10,799
uh

1618
01:00:15,109 --> 01:00:13,280
and he's picked up he's read

1619
01:00:18,789 --> 01:00:15,119
a few things and written

1620
01:00:20,309 --> 01:00:18,799
z grade sci-fi well for example let me

1621
01:00:22,230 --> 01:00:20,319
let me just uh

1622
01:00:25,030 --> 01:00:22,240
here here's a here's a quote of what

1623
01:00:27,030 --> 01:00:25,040
elon this voted space man

1624
01:00:29,030 --> 01:00:27,040
visible only as a voice speaking to dan

1625
01:00:30,549 --> 01:00:29,040
in the supposed first contact said let

1626
01:00:33,910 --> 01:00:30,559
me break in first and say he claimed

1627
01:00:36,710 --> 01:00:33,920
this happened on the night of uh

1628
01:00:38,230 --> 01:00:36,720
of the uh the fourth of uh july

1629
01:00:39,910 --> 01:00:38,240
1950

1630
01:00:42,230 --> 01:00:39,920
and he says

1631
01:00:44,230 --> 01:00:42,240
he says that let me let me he describes

1632
01:00:45,670 --> 01:00:44,240
the scene he says

1633
01:00:47,829 --> 01:00:45,680
uh okay

1634
01:00:50,069 --> 01:00:47,839
uh

1635
01:00:52,470 --> 01:00:50,079
the sun had been down for some time and

1636
01:00:55,190 --> 01:00:52,480
there was practically no daylight left

1637
01:00:57,510 --> 01:00:55,200
but the sky was bright with stars and

1638
01:00:59,910 --> 01:00:57,520
the moon though not yet above the

1639
01:01:02,710 --> 01:00:59,920
horizon was producing considerable

1640
01:01:03,510 --> 01:01:02,720
diffuse light in the sky

1641
01:01:05,109 --> 01:01:03,520
well

1642
01:01:06,870 --> 01:01:05,119
that

1643
01:01:09,349 --> 01:01:06,880
is not true it would not have been true

1644
01:01:10,710 --> 01:01:09,359
on the fourth because the fact the moon

1645
01:01:12,950 --> 01:01:10,720
at that time

1646
01:01:13,829 --> 01:01:12,960
was uh

1647
01:01:16,870 --> 01:01:13,839
was

1648
01:01:18,870 --> 01:01:16,880
what's called a waning gibbous moon

1649
01:01:20,309 --> 01:01:18,880
at 76 percent

1650
01:01:22,710 --> 01:01:20,319
and

1651
01:01:25,270 --> 01:01:22,720
the the orientation of the sun's light

1652
01:01:27,349 --> 01:01:25,280
off the moon with it below the horizon

1653
01:01:29,270 --> 01:01:27,359
could not have given any appreciable

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light into the sky at all but to make

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things worse

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truth the matter is he claimed it was on

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01:01:38,710 --> 01:01:34,559
july 4th

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white stands now keep in mind we're in

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the midst of the hottest part of the the

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most intense part of the cold war this

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is 1950 july we're concerned of what the

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soviet union has

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and what they they might get from us

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01:01:56,549 --> 01:01:54,559
white sands is closed down for the

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fourth of july

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01:02:01,349 --> 01:01:59,359
no one except absolutely essential

1667
01:02:03,670 --> 01:02:01,359
personnel were there

1668
01:02:06,789 --> 01:02:03,680
and they did not include z-wraith

1669
01:02:09,190 --> 01:02:06,799
engineers like dan fry who helped to to

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01:02:10,870 --> 01:02:09,200
deal in relationship to uh

1671
01:02:13,270 --> 01:02:10,880
what he claimed rocket engines but uh i

1672
01:02:14,870 --> 01:02:13,280
suspect had more to do with the uh other

1673
01:02:16,230 --> 01:02:14,880
other things he tried to make him sound

1674
01:02:18,150 --> 01:02:16,240
impressive

1675
01:02:19,430 --> 01:02:18,160
but here's ellen is talking to him

1676
01:02:20,710 --> 01:02:19,440
supposedly and here's what he's saying

1677
01:02:22,549 --> 01:02:20,720
he says

1678
01:02:24,950 --> 01:02:22,559
you're seeing parts of the ship and his

1679
01:02:26,950 --> 01:02:24,960
mechanism which in your mind is capable

1680
01:02:28,309 --> 01:02:26,960
of grasping the large drum like

1681
01:02:31,349 --> 01:02:28,319
structure just above the central

1682
01:02:33,109 --> 01:02:31,359
bulkhead is the differential accumulator

1683
01:02:36,069 --> 01:02:33,119
now he's throwing that out a little bit

1684
01:02:37,750 --> 01:02:36,079
of a little bitty simple uh

1685
01:02:40,069 --> 01:02:37,760
electronics that he's learned and he's

1686
01:02:41,510 --> 01:02:40,079
throwing this out to buzz

1687
01:02:43,109 --> 01:02:41,520
the dumb reader

1688
01:02:45,990 --> 01:02:43,119
to make him think wow this is a

1689
01:02:47,750 --> 01:02:46,000
scientific differential accumulator wow

1690
01:02:50,549 --> 01:02:47,760
he says it is essentially a storage

1691
01:02:52,470 --> 01:02:50,559
battery which is why then let's not say

1692
01:02:53,990 --> 01:02:52,480
that differential accumulator dan fry

1693
01:02:56,309 --> 01:02:54,000
already knew that

1694
01:02:58,710 --> 01:02:56,319
essential uh a storage battery which is

1695
01:03:00,950 --> 01:02:58,720
capable of being charged from any number

1696
01:03:03,270 --> 01:03:00,960
of natural different natural energy

1697
01:03:06,789 --> 01:03:03,280
differentials which may be available by

1698
01:03:08,789 --> 01:03:06,799
the word charge this is how i'm talking

1699
01:03:10,630 --> 01:03:08,799
by the word charged i really mean that a

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01:03:12,710 --> 01:03:10,640
potential difference is created between

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01:03:14,630 --> 01:03:12,720
two poles of the accumulator the

1702
01:03:16,470 --> 01:03:14,640
material the poles has available free

1703
01:03:18,870 --> 01:03:16,480
electrons and quantities beyond anything

1704
01:03:20,710 --> 01:03:18,880
which you could conceive all right

1705
01:03:23,109 --> 01:03:20,720
why is it look

1706
01:03:25,510 --> 01:03:23,119
if this is dan fry the engineer

1707
01:03:27,990 --> 01:03:25,520
and alan is so bright he would know that

1708
01:03:30,549 --> 01:03:28,000
dan fry knows what

1709
01:03:32,789 --> 01:03:30,559
a charge means on something i mean the

1710
01:03:35,270 --> 01:03:32,799
whole thing is ridiculous obviously it's

1711
01:03:36,630 --> 01:03:35,280
trying to impress the reader that oh

1712
01:03:38,870 --> 01:03:36,640
he's in contact with this guy that's

1713
01:03:41,190 --> 01:03:38,880
revealing some sides well this is

1714
01:03:42,549 --> 01:03:41,200
it's it's i would call it worse than z

1715
01:03:44,309 --> 01:03:42,559
grade sci-fi

1716
01:03:45,190 --> 01:03:44,319
more to come with ray stanford talking

1717
01:03:48,230 --> 01:03:45,200
about

1718
01:03:57,670 --> 01:03:48,240
the science and quotes of dan fry with

1719
01:04:02,069 --> 01:03:59,750
attack of the rockoids has been well

1720
01:04:03,670 --> 01:04:02,079
received by critics and readers alike

1721
01:04:05,029 --> 01:04:03,680
it's a thrill-a-minute story you'll

1722
01:04:06,950 --> 01:04:05,039
never forget

1723
01:04:09,430 --> 01:04:06,960
a former us military intelligence

1724
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officer is haunted by intense dreams

1725
01:04:14,390 --> 01:04:12,000
about a beautiful woman pleading for his

1726
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help after a terrible battle in outer

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space

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but the dreams turn out to be true and

1729
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thrust him into a telepathic love affair

1730
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with a woman whose far away planet is

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intent on destroying the earth

1732
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and now the gripping tale continues in

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the coming of the protectors it's the

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galaxy spanning adventure that pits our

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hapless heroes against powerful

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fanatical enemies that threaten the

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lives of freedom-loving beings

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the protectors classic science fiction

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a little bit later we have questions

1830
01:08:26,149 --> 01:08:24,400
from our audience ray stanford and chris

1831
01:08:28,789 --> 01:08:26,159
will be looking those up but right now

1832
01:08:29,829 --> 01:08:28,799
we're talking about the z grade science

1833
01:08:32,550 --> 01:08:29,839
from

1834
01:08:35,110 --> 01:08:32,560
the person or individual whoever that

1835
01:08:37,669 --> 01:08:35,120
dan fry is contacted so you're saying

1836
01:08:40,070 --> 01:08:37,679
here he throws in all this stuff

1837
01:08:41,510 --> 01:08:40,080
science pseudoscience whatever

1838
01:08:43,269 --> 01:08:41,520
word salad

1839
01:08:46,390 --> 01:08:43,279
this is done to impress the reader but

1840
01:08:47,990 --> 01:08:46,400
what does daniel fry know about science

1841
01:08:50,070 --> 01:08:48,000
he knows very little

1842
01:08:52,229 --> 01:08:50,080
uh really very little and when you read

1843
01:08:55,030 --> 01:08:52,239
what he's saying i mean for example i

1844
01:08:57,110 --> 01:08:55,040
could i could go on uh about the part

1845
01:08:59,510 --> 01:08:57,120
where he claims about this thing is uh

1846
01:09:01,590 --> 01:08:59,520
since the direction and and amplitude of

1847
01:09:03,349 --> 01:09:01,600
flow can be controlled and notice these

1848
01:09:05,829 --> 01:09:03,359
delivery through an amplitude to impress

1849
01:09:07,749 --> 01:09:05,839
people control through either ring you

1850
01:09:09,030 --> 01:09:07,759
know talking to lay person that throws

1851
01:09:11,110 --> 01:09:09,040
most people even today if you say

1852
01:09:13,030 --> 01:09:11,120
amplitude and in several paths to a

1853
01:09:14,789 --> 01:09:13,040
single ring we can produce the field

1854
01:09:16,630 --> 01:09:14,799
which in opposition are in conjunction

1855
01:09:18,709 --> 01:09:16,640
with any magnetic field to which we wish

1856
01:09:20,470 --> 01:09:18,719
to travel this also gives us control of

1857
01:09:22,789 --> 01:09:20,480
attitude of the craft with respect to a

1858
01:09:24,870 --> 01:09:22,799
given field oh boy

1859
01:09:27,110 --> 01:09:24,880
i mean th this is

1860
01:09:29,269 --> 01:09:27,120
it it sounds like to me

1861
01:09:31,510 --> 01:09:29,279
a smart seventh grader

1862
01:09:33,829 --> 01:09:31,520
writing what he thinks is hot sci-fi

1863
01:09:36,630 --> 01:09:33,839
that's about all it comes across as in

1864
01:09:40,950 --> 01:09:38,950
anyone like me who is used regarding

1865
01:09:42,789 --> 01:09:40,960
magnetometer and recording grab me to

1866
01:09:44,229 --> 01:09:42,799
other instruments to record these

1867
01:09:46,229 --> 01:09:44,239
objects both optically and

1868
01:09:49,910 --> 01:09:46,239
electronically in those ways

1869
01:09:51,669 --> 01:09:49,920
knows that these things do not fly by

1870
01:09:53,269 --> 01:09:51,679
creating talking about wasting energy

1871
01:09:55,350 --> 01:09:53,279
creating a field so powerful that is

1872
01:09:56,550 --> 01:09:55,360
somehow propelled by interaction with

1873
01:09:57,830 --> 01:09:56,560
the

1874
01:10:00,229 --> 01:09:57,840
pip squeak

1875
01:10:03,430 --> 01:10:00,239
earth's magnetic field is just

1876
01:10:05,430 --> 01:10:03,440
ridiculous this is not the way they use

1877
01:10:07,910 --> 01:10:05,440
magnetism at all we're not that's not

1878
01:10:12,070 --> 01:10:07,920
the subject i won't get into it but it

1879
01:10:13,990 --> 01:10:12,080
is absolutely uh ludicrous and um

1880
01:10:16,149 --> 01:10:14,000
anyway if there's any more tech

1881
01:10:18,470 --> 01:10:16,159
questions technical aspects i'm happy to

1882
01:10:20,550 --> 01:10:18,480
answer them but i want to get into what

1883
01:10:23,590 --> 01:10:20,560
his wife alma told me

1884
01:10:25,510 --> 01:10:23,600
uh and what we in turn shared with her

1885
01:10:26,550 --> 01:10:25,520
chris before we get to that any

1886
01:10:28,229 --> 01:10:26,560
questions

1887
01:10:30,149 --> 01:10:28,239
from our listeners that

1888
01:10:31,270 --> 01:10:30,159
relate to the so-called science of dan

1889
01:10:33,350 --> 01:10:31,280
frye

1890
01:10:35,270 --> 01:10:33,360
yeah there are a couple actually um and

1891
01:10:36,709 --> 01:10:35,280
i'm glad you cut in uh

1892
01:10:38,709 --> 01:10:36,719
when you did here

1893
01:10:39,950 --> 01:10:38,719
ray thomas morrison is one of our our

1894
01:10:41,750 --> 01:10:39,960
posters at

1895
01:10:44,310 --> 01:10:41,760
forum.theparacast.com where

1896
01:10:46,709 --> 01:10:44,320
our listeners can can you post questions

1897
01:10:48,470 --> 01:10:46,719
for for our guests he says at the end of

1898
01:10:50,229 --> 01:10:48,480
frye's book adam's galaxies and

1899
01:10:53,110 --> 01:10:50,239
understanding which was published in

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01:10:55,030 --> 01:10:53,120
1960 frey describes an intergalactic

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01:10:57,350 --> 01:10:55,040
repulsive force

1902
01:10:58,709 --> 01:10:57,360
this wasn't validated until 1998 when

1903
01:11:00,390 --> 01:10:58,719
dark energy was discovered by

1904
01:11:02,149 --> 01:11:00,400
astronomers

1905
01:11:03,510 --> 01:11:02,159
although i don't think dark energy has

1906
01:11:05,669 --> 01:11:03,520
really been discovered i think the

1907
01:11:07,590 --> 01:11:05,679
effect of dark energy has been has been

1908
01:11:09,990 --> 01:11:07,600
discovered correct uh

1909
01:11:11,110 --> 01:11:10,000
actually to to be real accurate about it

1910
01:11:12,950 --> 01:11:11,120
but

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01:11:14,709 --> 01:11:12,960
thomas wants to know how

1912
01:11:17,110 --> 01:11:14,719
what do you make of this and how do you

1913
01:11:18,950 --> 01:11:17,120
know that any of those other cases

1914
01:11:22,070 --> 01:11:18,960
is attempt to reason this out but

1915
01:11:24,470 --> 01:11:22,080
what we have to do is be very careful uh

1916
01:11:26,149 --> 01:11:24,480
when you read something and look back on

1917
01:11:29,669 --> 01:11:26,159
it years later after getting certain

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01:11:31,830 --> 01:11:29,679
information it's easy to project and to

1919
01:11:33,430 --> 01:11:31,840
feel the person was saying that but if

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01:11:34,950 --> 01:11:33,440
they didn't say that in the first place

1921
01:11:37,510 --> 01:11:34,960
as you point out

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dark matter has not yet been defined we

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have only evidence suggesting it by its

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effect

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and

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certainly considering that

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little almost nothing that's known about

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it to say that dan fry was talking about

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it i read the same thing and i tell you

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i cannot i do not believe that we can

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say that he didn't say anything that

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would indicate that

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i mean dan

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01:12:05,110 --> 01:12:03,040
did a lot of obviously thinking on his

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01:12:05,910 --> 01:12:05,120
own and trying to figure out some things

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but

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don't get me wrong i think dan was a

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01:12:12,709 --> 01:12:10,640
rather intelligent man he didn't have

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01:12:15,590 --> 01:12:12,719
formal education and really

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01:12:17,030 --> 01:12:15,600
clearly uh doesn't know a lot about the

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01:12:19,270 --> 01:12:17,040
things he's talking about but he's he's

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01:12:21,669 --> 01:12:19,280
obviously put thought into what he knew

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01:12:22,870 --> 01:12:21,679
and what he'd read and uh i'll give him

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01:12:24,390 --> 01:12:22,880
credit for that even though he's

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misapplying it in

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in stories that that are not true uh the

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01:12:28,950 --> 01:12:28,159
um

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uh

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there's not time in this context to

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really explain in depth the problems

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01:12:36,550 --> 01:12:35,040
with what dan says about propulsion in

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01:12:40,310 --> 01:12:36,560
this this uh

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01:12:42,790 --> 01:12:40,320
that last book there in 1960 but uh so

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01:12:44,310 --> 01:12:42,800
we won't do that but i i appreciate the

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01:12:46,709 --> 01:12:44,320
the thought that the the person who

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01:12:49,270 --> 01:12:46,719
wrote this in is is thinking about it

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01:12:53,510 --> 01:12:49,280
and and seeing but i really i just would

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01:12:55,750 --> 01:12:53,520
caution about x post facto projection of

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01:12:57,750 --> 01:12:55,760
what we learn into what a person was

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01:12:59,430 --> 01:12:57,760
saying when he didn't really say it we

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01:13:01,189 --> 01:12:59,440
merely deduce that he might have been

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01:13:03,270 --> 01:13:01,199
talking about it and that's the most we

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01:13:04,630 --> 01:13:03,280
can say but a lot of people could have

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01:13:06,870 --> 01:13:04,640
been talking about that in fact there

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01:13:08,709 --> 01:13:06,880
were quite a few if you read not only

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01:13:10,310 --> 01:13:08,719
science but even sci fiction back then

1967
01:13:12,310 --> 01:13:10,320
you see a lot of these same ideas that

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01:13:14,790 --> 01:13:12,320
dan is talking about are nothing new you

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01:13:17,590 --> 01:13:14,800
don't have to contact ellen of

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01:13:19,270 --> 01:13:17,600
wherever in space to to get this kind of

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01:13:21,669 --> 01:13:19,280
so-called revelation

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01:13:24,390 --> 01:13:21,679
any further questions from that listener

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01:13:26,390 --> 01:13:24,400
chris um he does go on

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01:13:27,910 --> 01:13:26,400
and say that fry accurately described

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01:13:30,149 --> 01:13:27,920
all the key characteristics of a

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01:13:31,270 --> 01:13:30,159
gravitational fuel field propulsion

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01:13:32,870 --> 01:13:31,280
system

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01:13:35,590 --> 01:13:32,880
faster than light travel capability

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01:13:37,189 --> 01:13:35,600
absence of g-forces on board even under

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01:13:39,189 --> 01:13:37,199
high acceleration

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01:13:41,910 --> 01:13:39,199
absence of time dilation effects in

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01:13:43,430 --> 01:13:41,920
transit etc and all this was 38 years

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01:13:46,550 --> 01:13:43,440
before miguel

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01:13:48,950 --> 01:13:46,560
alcambieri elucidated the theoretical

1985
01:13:50,790 --> 01:13:48,960
physics of this concept in 1994. how do

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01:13:52,870 --> 01:13:50,800
you think he did this

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01:13:54,149 --> 01:13:52,880
he didn't that's that's the answer he's

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01:13:57,430 --> 01:13:54,159
really into it

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01:13:59,590 --> 01:13:57,440
he absolutely did not the

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01:14:02,550 --> 01:13:59,600
you know this is not the way we do

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01:14:04,630 --> 01:14:02,560
science this is not the way we examine

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01:14:07,030 --> 01:14:04,640
evidence we do not take something

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01:14:09,270 --> 01:14:07,040
afterward and say that proves this

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01:14:10,870 --> 01:14:09,280
because dan fry did not actually say

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01:14:13,430 --> 01:14:10,880
these things first place his silly

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01:14:15,430 --> 01:14:13,440
description when he describes his first

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01:14:16,709 --> 01:14:15,440
trip and when he comes back in and

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01:14:18,310 --> 01:14:16,719
they're going to

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01:14:19,990 --> 01:14:18,320
uh they're they're coming back in and

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01:14:20,870 --> 01:14:20,000
they're going to give him

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01:14:28,229 --> 01:14:20,880
g

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01:14:30,070 --> 01:14:28,239
this terrible stress and and this

2003
01:14:31,510 --> 01:14:30,080
brilliant light that's about to consume

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01:14:33,510 --> 01:14:31,520
him i was going well i'm sorry none of

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01:14:35,669 --> 01:14:33,520
the astronauts ever reported anything of

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01:14:36,630 --> 01:14:35,679
this nature when they went into a

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01:14:40,550 --> 01:14:36,640
weightless

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01:14:43,030 --> 01:14:40,560
uh so-called zero g state and i'm sorry

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01:14:46,550 --> 01:14:43,040
but we have to dispense with our wishful

2010
01:14:48,790 --> 01:14:46,560
thinking and our hopes about a case

2011
01:14:51,669 --> 01:14:48,800
let us get into the real facts of what i

2012
01:14:53,830 --> 01:14:51,679
learned from his wife and i think that

2013
01:14:56,070 --> 01:14:53,840
maybe this gentleman will take a

2014
01:14:57,669 --> 01:14:56,080
different perspective anybody could have

2015
01:14:59,750 --> 01:14:57,679
picked up enough that was intelligent

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01:15:01,830 --> 01:14:59,760
and thoughtful to say the things that

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01:15:04,630 --> 01:15:01,840
dan fry said without talking to a space

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01:15:06,149 --> 01:15:04,640
man and how do i know well the people i

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01:15:07,830 --> 01:15:06,159
was dealing with even in high school my

2020
01:15:09,910 --> 01:15:07,840
twin brother in fact with that time was

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01:15:12,870 --> 01:15:09,920
going into nuclear physics we talk

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01:15:14,790 --> 01:15:12,880
physics and einstein and these kind of

2023
01:15:17,189 --> 01:15:14,800
things all the time there's nothing

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01:15:19,350 --> 01:15:17,199
surprising in what dan said in fact we

2025
01:15:20,790 --> 01:15:19,360
laughed when we read it both of us read

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01:15:23,430 --> 01:15:20,800
it and

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01:15:24,470 --> 01:15:23,440
we said gee you know this is uh this is

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01:15:27,270 --> 01:15:24,480
kid stuff

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01:15:29,669 --> 01:15:27,280
and it is so uh he may believe as he

2030
01:15:32,149 --> 01:15:29,679
likes but uh that doesn't uh validate it

2031
01:15:34,550 --> 01:15:32,159
let's let's talk about the actual facts

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01:15:37,910 --> 01:15:34,560
as i learned them from elma dan's wife

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01:15:39,510 --> 01:15:37,920
whom he married i believe in 1934. sure

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01:15:40,390 --> 01:15:39,520
let's proceed with that

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01:15:42,630 --> 01:15:40,400
okay

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01:15:45,110 --> 01:15:42,640
oh in the first place he slowly had this

2037
01:15:46,390 --> 01:15:45,120
amazing life-changing experience on the

2038
01:15:48,630 --> 01:15:46,400
desert at a time when he could not

2039
01:15:49,830 --> 01:15:48,640
possibly have been and was not at white

2040
01:15:52,310 --> 01:15:49,840
sands

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01:15:53,910 --> 01:15:52,320
and describing the after sunset scene it

2042
01:15:56,149 --> 01:15:53,920
said son had been down quite a while

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01:15:58,550 --> 01:15:56,159
that could not have been valid but he

2044
01:16:00,950 --> 01:15:58,560
could not have been there now his wife

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01:16:03,189 --> 01:16:00,960
says and then told both my brother and

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01:16:05,110 --> 01:16:03,199
me she said the strange thing was this

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01:16:06,390 --> 01:16:05,120
fully happened but she never heard

2048
01:16:08,229 --> 01:16:06,400
anything about it

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01:16:10,149 --> 01:16:08,239
he never came home and said he had this

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01:16:12,470 --> 01:16:10,159
experience suddenly he's writing a book

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01:16:14,470 --> 01:16:12,480
years later and this thing is coming out

2052
01:16:16,550 --> 01:16:14,480
but she was totally shocked as she was

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01:16:18,630 --> 01:16:16,560
about other events subsequently for

2054
01:16:20,470 --> 01:16:18,640
example the first picture that dan frye

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01:16:22,550 --> 01:16:20,480
claimed to they revealed publicly that

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01:16:24,790 --> 01:16:22,560
he said he'd been taken of a ufo it was

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01:16:27,350 --> 01:16:24,800
fully in daylight and it was in southern

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01:16:29,350 --> 01:16:27,360
california i think it was near a place

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01:16:31,430 --> 01:16:29,360
where jpl is

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01:16:33,669 --> 01:16:31,440
located today probably but anyway i

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01:16:35,270 --> 01:16:33,679
think he a balwin park or someplace

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01:16:37,110 --> 01:16:35,280
similar name to that

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let's go into that photo in our next

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segment with ray stanford and gene and

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okay so let's talk about that right now

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let's continue with it ray stanford

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about okay daniel fry's alleged

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pictures right this was the first

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picture that he came up with publicly

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it's a daylight picture and uh it's a

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still picture it's black and white

2178
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here's the background on that he claims

2179
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that on a certain date he took this

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picture but again as with the event at

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white sands which you think you would go

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home and immediately be blabbering after

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the top of your head about it to your

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he saw this thing and if you look at the

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picture is apparently a standard lens if

2187
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i remember i mean this thing covered

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uh at least i would say one degree of

2189
01:22:05,030 --> 01:22:02,719
arc or more in the sky it's a good size

2190
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image despite the fact that it looks so

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very much like a a coffee can of that

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period of maybe an actual house

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anyway a coffee can with another small

2194
01:22:14,870 --> 01:22:12,719
can on top of it it doesn't look like

2195
01:22:17,430 --> 01:22:14,880
any ufo that's ever been described and

2196
01:22:18,950 --> 01:22:17,440
it has no emitters it has nothing exotic

2197
01:22:22,229 --> 01:22:18,960
about it it just looks like a couple of

2198
01:22:24,149 --> 01:22:22,239
cans one on top the other but anyway

2199
01:22:26,070 --> 01:22:24,159
he smoothly sees this and photographs it

2200
01:22:29,110 --> 01:22:26,080
but guess what he doesn't tell his dear

2201
01:22:30,790 --> 01:22:29,120
wife elma no not at all well one day

2202
01:22:31,830 --> 01:22:30,800
sometime after the date that his police

2203
01:22:33,750 --> 01:22:31,840
was taken

2204
01:22:36,390 --> 01:22:33,760
dan wanders in from

2205
01:22:38,870 --> 01:22:36,400
work at the little crescent engineering

2206
01:22:41,430 --> 01:22:38,880
that he had there and wanders in and uh

2207
01:22:43,430 --> 01:22:41,440
puts up a packet from a photoshop on the

2208
01:22:45,669 --> 01:22:43,440
table has some photos and some negatives

2209
01:22:47,030 --> 01:22:45,679
in it and i'm wondering what is this dan

2210
01:22:48,870 --> 01:22:47,040
didn't say a word so she picked it up

2211
01:22:50,310 --> 01:22:48,880
and opened it up and well behold here's

2212
01:22:53,030 --> 01:22:50,320
this picture of this

2213
01:22:54,790 --> 01:22:53,040
this tin can ufo and she said she said

2214
01:22:56,550 --> 01:22:54,800
damn

2215
01:22:58,149 --> 01:22:56,560
where'd you get this what was this he

2216
01:23:00,229 --> 01:22:58,159
said oh i didn't tell you you know i was

2217
01:23:02,229 --> 01:23:00,239
over there you know this is a date and i

2218
01:23:04,790 --> 01:23:02,239
saw this thing i took a picture of him

2219
01:23:07,270 --> 01:23:04,800
well the truth matter is he wanted to

2220
01:23:09,270 --> 01:23:07,280
see whether it came out credible or not

2221
01:23:11,110 --> 01:23:09,280
before he showed it to her so then he

2222
01:23:12,950 --> 01:23:11,120
pretends oh it's just casual and there

2223
01:23:15,030 --> 01:23:12,960
it is and she discovers it and gets

2224
01:23:17,270 --> 01:23:15,040
excited and so on and so forth but she

2225
01:23:18,629 --> 01:23:17,280
thought this was strange why didn't dan

2226
01:23:20,709 --> 01:23:18,639
tell me this

2227
01:23:22,310 --> 01:23:20,719
and you can understand he wouldn't want

2228
01:23:24,550 --> 01:23:22,320
to let her see it until he knew for sure

2229
01:23:26,229 --> 01:23:24,560
it was real so he he didn't say anything

2230
01:23:27,590 --> 01:23:26,239
because if he faked the pictures and

2231
01:23:28,870 --> 01:23:27,600
they looked fake he wouldn't want to

2232
01:23:30,709 --> 01:23:28,880
show them to his wife so he didn't tell

2233
01:23:32,709 --> 01:23:30,719
her until he saw the pictures it all

2234
01:23:34,390 --> 01:23:32,719
adds up well if this had just happened

2235
01:23:35,669 --> 01:23:34,400
once well that's the second time

2236
01:23:38,229 --> 01:23:35,679
basically because he didn't tell her

2237
01:23:39,270 --> 01:23:38,239
about the event of white sands either

2238
01:23:41,590 --> 01:23:39,280
that's not the only time it happened

2239
01:23:44,310 --> 01:23:41,600
happen again again for example late one

2240
01:23:45,350 --> 01:23:44,320
afternoon they decided to drive out from

2241
01:23:46,830 --> 01:23:45,360
where they lived

2242
01:23:47,910 --> 01:23:46,840
near the la area

2243
01:23:52,390 --> 01:23:47,920
to uh

2244
01:23:54,070 --> 01:23:52,400
joshua tree area where a a lady that

2245
01:23:56,709 --> 01:23:54,080
felt she was a psychic named darce

2246
01:23:59,270 --> 01:23:56,719
levesque she claimed to channel ashtar

2247
01:24:00,709 --> 01:23:59,280
which you know i believe that like uh i

2248
01:24:03,270 --> 01:24:00,719
mean well i don't believe it

2249
01:24:05,189 --> 01:24:03,280
but he's ridiculous but anyway she she

2250
01:24:07,110 --> 01:24:05,199
was sincere she was a decent lady i mean

2251
01:24:09,750 --> 01:24:07,120
she just believed she was doing this and

2252
01:24:11,110 --> 01:24:09,760
uh anyway for whatever reasons dan and

2253
01:24:13,510 --> 01:24:11,120
elmo decided they're going to go out and

2254
01:24:15,990 --> 01:24:13,520
visit with her and they go out there and

2255
01:24:17,830 --> 01:24:16,000
they're in the house with the doors and

2256
01:24:19,350 --> 01:24:17,840
i have this testimony not only from elba

2257
01:24:20,790 --> 01:24:19,360
but from doris herself

2258
01:24:22,310 --> 01:24:20,800
and they're in the house there and

2259
01:24:23,110 --> 01:24:22,320
they've been there for half an hour or

2260
01:24:24,790 --> 01:24:23,120
so

2261
01:24:27,189 --> 01:24:24,800
and all of a sudden dan doesn't say a

2262
01:24:29,110 --> 01:24:27,199
word to anybody he just gets up and

2263
01:24:31,270 --> 01:24:29,120
strolls out the front door

2264
01:24:32,229 --> 01:24:31,280
and and they hear the uh the trunk of

2265
01:24:33,990 --> 01:24:32,239
the car

2266
01:24:35,510 --> 01:24:34,000
uh open and close

2267
01:24:36,870 --> 01:24:35,520
but nothing else

2268
01:24:38,070 --> 01:24:36,880
after a while they hear it open and

2269
01:24:40,229 --> 01:24:38,080
close again

2270
01:24:43,430 --> 01:24:40,239
and after a while dan walks in

2271
01:24:46,629 --> 01:24:43,440
and he says nothing to to helm or to

2272
01:24:48,470 --> 01:24:46,639
to the other lady uh darth vader

2273
01:24:50,790 --> 01:24:48,480
he said nothing whatsoever

2274
01:24:52,229 --> 01:24:50,800
well a few days later another package

2275
01:24:54,310 --> 01:24:52,239
shows up

2276
01:24:56,870 --> 01:24:54,320
when dad comes home from work uh having

2277
01:24:58,310 --> 01:24:56,880
been by the photo store

2278
01:24:59,270 --> 01:24:58,320
put on the the end table at the end of

2279
01:25:01,590 --> 01:24:59,280
the couch

2280
01:25:02,550 --> 01:25:01,600
and uh she opens it up

2281
01:25:04,550 --> 01:25:02,560
there may have been more than one in

2282
01:25:06,070 --> 01:25:04,560
this case but at least one black and

2283
01:25:08,870 --> 01:25:06,080
white photograph

2284
01:25:10,629 --> 01:25:08,880
and it's it's a it's a carnageous fake

2285
01:25:13,669 --> 01:25:10,639
luminous object i mean if you have

2286
01:25:14,709 --> 01:25:13,679
hospital night she said dan what is this

2287
01:25:16,709 --> 01:25:14,719
again

2288
01:25:18,310 --> 01:25:16,719
he said oh i forgot to tell you you know

2289
01:25:21,270 --> 01:25:18,320
when i went outside

2290
01:25:23,030 --> 01:25:21,280
you know when we were at doris's uh uh i

2291
01:25:24,629 --> 01:25:23,040
saw a ufo and it took a picture now i

2292
01:25:26,070 --> 01:25:24,639
understand

2293
01:25:27,430 --> 01:25:26,080
he opens the trunk

2294
01:25:29,030 --> 01:25:27,440
he's right there in hearing range they

2295
01:25:30,229 --> 01:25:29,040
hear the trunk open and he doesn't say

2296
01:25:32,390 --> 01:25:30,239
hey guy come out here there's this

2297
01:25:34,470 --> 01:25:32,400
object out there oh no no not at all

2298
01:25:36,470 --> 01:25:34,480
well if this doesn't tell his wife i

2299
01:25:37,830 --> 01:25:36,480
just can't get over that that's right

2300
01:25:39,669 --> 01:25:37,840
and she's right inside the wall there

2301
01:25:41,750 --> 01:25:39,679
you know right inside the the glass

2302
01:25:43,990 --> 01:25:41,760
window in fact and what he's done is

2303
01:25:46,390 --> 01:25:44,000
clearly it's just a piece of black

2304
01:25:48,550 --> 01:25:46,400
cardboard with a crude ufo shape cut

2305
01:25:50,629 --> 01:25:48,560
crudely cut out in and a flashlight held

2306
01:25:52,629 --> 01:25:50,639
behind it i mean absolutely it's so

2307
01:25:54,470 --> 01:25:52,639
corny it's not even funny but the world

2308
01:25:56,790 --> 01:25:54,480
has never seen those pictures

2309
01:25:58,390 --> 01:25:56,800
now there's more

2310
01:25:59,990 --> 01:25:58,400
i i don't have the date of this but

2311
01:26:02,310 --> 01:26:00,000
anybody can check on it about this this

2312
01:26:04,709 --> 01:26:02,320
first alleged movie that he took

2313
01:26:06,709 --> 01:26:04,719
uh they were out at george van tassel's

2314
01:26:08,629 --> 01:26:06,719
so-called spacecraft convention

2315
01:26:11,910 --> 01:26:08,639
and of course a lot of people out there

2316
01:26:13,669 --> 01:26:11,920
and uh uh well they they they were there

2317
01:26:15,830 --> 01:26:13,679
of course dan was as usual one of the

2318
01:26:18,149 --> 01:26:15,840
speakers but at some point in the

2319
01:26:20,310 --> 01:26:18,159
proceedings in broad daylight uh

2320
01:26:21,189 --> 01:26:20,320
uh dan comes over to elm and he says he

2321
01:26:23,910 --> 01:26:21,199
says

2322
01:26:25,350 --> 01:26:23,920
i'm i'm gonna have to to to walk across

2323
01:26:27,350 --> 01:26:25,360
the mountain over there he has believe

2324
01:26:28,790 --> 01:26:27,360
it or not he has

2325
01:26:30,149 --> 01:26:28,800
his uh

2326
01:26:33,110 --> 01:26:30,159
uh

2327
01:26:35,189 --> 01:26:33,120
his camera with him but he has a big box

2328
01:26:36,709 --> 01:26:35,199
and she said damn why are you

2329
01:26:38,390 --> 01:26:36,719
where are you going to walk across there

2330
01:26:39,669 --> 01:26:38,400
was this hill just i i don't know what

2331
01:26:40,790 --> 01:26:39,679
direction well i guess i'm presuming at

2332
01:26:42,149 --> 01:26:40,800
this point in time it's probably kind of

2333
01:26:44,070 --> 01:26:42,159
the east side of the big giant rock

2334
01:26:47,030 --> 01:26:44,080
there i've been there numbers of times

2335
01:26:48,390 --> 01:26:47,040
and uh uh why are you going across the

2336
01:26:50,390 --> 01:26:48,400
hill

2337
01:26:53,669 --> 01:26:50,400
and he said well i i've got i've got to

2338
01:26:55,350 --> 01:26:53,679
go over there and take a crap

2339
01:26:56,790 --> 01:26:55,360
and she said well

2340
01:26:58,950 --> 01:26:56,800
you know they had sketch cams you know

2341
01:27:00,709 --> 01:26:58,960
the the portable i thought they said he

2342
01:27:02,229 --> 01:27:00,719
said well he's too busy

2343
01:27:03,510 --> 01:27:02,239
i'm going to she said why are you

2344
01:27:04,629 --> 01:27:03,520
carrying the big box with him he said

2345
01:27:05,040 --> 01:27:04,639
well i have to have plenty of toilet

2346
01:27:07,750 --> 01:27:05,050
paper

2347
01:27:08,950 --> 01:27:07,760
[Laughter]

2348
01:27:12,310 --> 01:27:08,960
and

2349
01:27:14,950 --> 01:27:12,320
he said you know

2350
01:27:16,310 --> 01:27:14,960
you have to be prepared

2351
01:27:18,790 --> 01:27:16,320
you might see something pretty shocking

2352
01:27:21,830 --> 01:27:18,800
huh okay well

2353
01:27:23,910 --> 01:27:21,840
anyway he comes back he's got the box he

2354
01:27:25,590 --> 01:27:23,920
puts it in the back of the car

2355
01:27:27,750 --> 01:27:25,600
never says a word to elma that anything

2356
01:27:29,590 --> 01:27:27,760
has happened over there

2357
01:27:32,149 --> 01:27:29,600
nothing nothing at all

2358
01:27:33,110 --> 01:27:32,159
and so she doesn't think much about it

2359
01:27:35,590 --> 01:27:33,120
well

2360
01:27:37,669 --> 01:27:35,600
a few weeks later a couple weeks later

2361
01:27:40,390 --> 01:27:37,679
a processed movie film

2362
01:27:41,750 --> 01:27:40,400
gets plopped onto the end table again

2363
01:27:43,430 --> 01:27:41,760
when he comes home from work when he

2364
01:27:45,669 --> 01:27:43,440
picks it up from the processor

2365
01:27:47,990 --> 01:27:45,679
of course dan's already seen this

2366
01:27:49,350 --> 01:27:48,000
and so she said well dan what what is

2367
01:27:50,629 --> 01:27:49,360
this film he's though i forgot to tell

2368
01:27:52,390 --> 01:27:50,639
you you know when i went across the hill

2369
01:27:54,390 --> 01:27:52,400
over there to take a crap

2370
01:27:56,229 --> 01:27:54,400
this spaceship showed up

2371
01:27:57,990 --> 01:27:56,239
and i got a film of it now of course

2372
01:27:58,950 --> 01:27:58,000
he's taking the box with it with a model

2373
01:28:00,709 --> 01:27:58,960
in it

2374
01:28:02,870 --> 01:28:00,719
over there well

2375
01:28:05,669 --> 01:28:02,880
i said well oh my gosh i didn't know

2376
01:28:06,950 --> 01:28:05,679
anything like this happened i said

2377
01:28:10,229 --> 01:28:06,960
she said well i want to show you the

2378
01:28:12,229 --> 01:28:10,239
film she said i i i i don't know

2379
01:28:14,390 --> 01:28:12,239
something bothers me she said i don't

2380
01:28:16,550 --> 01:28:14,400
know dan never tells me these things

2381
01:28:18,070 --> 01:28:16,560
until after he's seen the films

2382
01:28:19,510 --> 01:28:18,080
or the pictures

2383
01:28:21,189 --> 01:28:19,520
and she said i want you to look he wants

2384
01:28:22,709 --> 01:28:21,199
to look at this talk about my brother me

2385
01:28:24,310 --> 01:28:22,719
so how many boys want to look at this

2386
01:28:26,709 --> 01:28:24,320
and and see

2387
01:28:28,629 --> 01:28:26,719
and uh for yourself she said something

2388
01:28:30,390 --> 01:28:28,639
bothers me about it well bless her heart

2389
01:28:31,910 --> 01:28:30,400
and we took the

2390
01:28:33,830 --> 01:28:31,920
the projector

2391
01:28:34,709 --> 01:28:33,840
i think it was 16 millimeter i remember

2392
01:28:36,629 --> 01:28:34,719
it could have been eight but i think it

2393
01:28:39,110 --> 01:28:36,639
was 16. anyway

2394
01:28:41,110 --> 01:28:39,120
uh and we set it up dancing at work it

2395
01:28:42,709 --> 01:28:41,120
goes in engineering and we project this

2396
01:28:43,990 --> 01:28:42,719
thing and she said by the way wait wait

2397
01:28:45,590 --> 01:28:44,000
before you start

2398
01:28:47,510 --> 01:28:45,600
dan says that you have to run the

2399
01:28:49,910 --> 01:28:47,520
projector at the maximum speed to

2400
01:28:53,669 --> 01:28:49,920
safeguard the film if you run it at the

2401
01:28:55,910 --> 01:28:53,679
normal speed it can damage the film huh

2402
01:28:57,750 --> 01:28:55,920
you know i've projected pictures for

2403
01:28:59,990 --> 01:28:57,760
years and i guarantee if you want to get

2404
01:29:01,510 --> 01:29:00,000
into trouble try to run a camera at the

2405
01:29:05,110 --> 01:29:01,520
speed which is not normally made to run

2406
01:29:06,149 --> 01:29:05,120
but it that's a super high speed and

2407
01:29:07,510 --> 01:29:06,159
i said

2408
01:29:10,390 --> 01:29:07,520
do you know what helmet that doesn't

2409
01:29:12,149 --> 01:29:10,400
make any sense dan's an engineer and he

2410
01:29:13,910 --> 01:29:12,159
doesn't realize that there's something

2411
01:29:15,990 --> 01:29:13,920
wrong let's see what's here i'm going to

2412
01:29:17,669 --> 01:29:16,000
run it at normal speed

2413
01:29:18,950 --> 01:29:17,679
and she says okay you think it's safe

2414
01:29:20,629 --> 01:29:18,960
and i said oh yeah she said dance this

2415
01:29:23,590 --> 01:29:20,639
is not that i said i don't care it'll be

2416
01:29:24,790 --> 01:29:23,600
safe to be fine so we projected the film

2417
01:29:25,990 --> 01:29:24,800
it was me

2418
01:29:29,110 --> 01:29:26,000
and rex

2419
01:29:31,830 --> 01:29:29,120
and alma and by golly here shows it you

2420
01:29:33,510 --> 01:29:31,840
see this model now let me tell you and

2421
01:29:35,669 --> 01:29:33,520
we stopped rain and we looked at it and

2422
01:29:37,430 --> 01:29:35,679
we watched frame by frame

2423
01:29:38,950 --> 01:29:37,440
all the world is this thing is this

2424
01:29:40,629 --> 01:29:38,960
spaceship

2425
01:29:42,629 --> 01:29:40,639
i would say that he took the circular

2426
01:29:45,110 --> 01:29:42,639
ring at the you know an old-fashioned

2427
01:29:46,870 --> 01:29:45,120
lampshade had a a circle ring of metal

2428
01:29:47,750 --> 01:29:46,880
at the bottom and a smaller one at the

2429
01:29:50,310 --> 01:29:47,760
top

2430
01:29:51,990 --> 01:29:50,320
and he took this and used the larger one

2431
01:29:53,350 --> 01:29:52,000
as the midpoint and he took another one

2432
01:29:54,149 --> 01:29:53,360
down at the bottom of the same smaller

2433
01:29:56,550 --> 01:29:54,159
side

2434
01:30:00,070 --> 01:29:56,560
and he what he did he had clearly glued

2435
01:30:02,790 --> 01:30:00,080
ultimately black and white tissue paper

2436
01:30:04,550 --> 01:30:02,800
on these panels ultimately

2437
01:30:05,350 --> 01:30:04,560
white and black

2438
01:30:07,669 --> 01:30:05,360
and

2439
01:30:09,590 --> 01:30:07,679
the thing is clearly okay what he does

2440
01:30:11,350 --> 01:30:09,600
to film it he suspends it on and then

2441
01:30:13,669 --> 01:30:11,360
filament like a damn skin

2442
01:30:16,870 --> 01:30:13,679
was suspending his little glowing uh

2443
01:30:19,510 --> 01:30:16,880
models but this is daylight and so he's

2444
01:30:20,790 --> 01:30:19,520
filming he he films this thing and you

2445
01:30:22,390 --> 01:30:20,800
look at this thing and

2446
01:30:24,470 --> 01:30:22,400
you slow it down you see and of course

2447
01:30:26,950 --> 01:30:24,480
it's bobbling exactly the way a small

2448
01:30:29,030 --> 01:30:26,960
model would on the end of a line well

2449
01:30:31,270 --> 01:30:29,040
that explains why it had to be run so

2450
01:30:32,390 --> 01:30:31,280
fast let's get more of this no that's

2451
01:30:36,629 --> 01:30:32,400
not the reason

2452
01:30:39,270 --> 01:30:36,639
know the reason then okay more to come

2453
01:30:49,030 --> 01:30:39,280
with ray stanford and gene and chris

2454
01:30:53,149 --> 01:30:52,310
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2455
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listening to the paracast the gold

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higher and higher as he listens to the

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wild tales

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about dan fry okay so tell me ray

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stanford why

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did we have to run this so fast not just

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to see the bobbing

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of the model but other reasons right

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well the first place to keep him seeing

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the tissue paper bouncing up and down in

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the wind and the wind over the hill but

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the real reason here's the real reason

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at some point he's got this thin i

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presume it's nylon line which is kind of

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slick and of course you're out there in

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the heat of the desert near you know

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john rock in the middle of the high

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desert in california and you're sweating

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and guess what

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the line slips in his hand

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and the model slips

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and he yanks and grabs it he grabs the

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fish liner and the nylon thing and yanks

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it up it but here's why he didn't want

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you to see it

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when he yanks it up when you're running

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slow the line tilts over at an angle

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that becomes a reflective surface of

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our local sun

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and by golly you see the sun's

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reflection on the line all the way up

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you know his hands just pounded and then

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he bends it back real fast and yanks it

2590
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up

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and you even see the little model

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vibrate and rock from his hand jerking

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it to get it back into the place before

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the camera

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so

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it just happened that uh i had a

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presentation about some of our ufo

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experiences that night at the local

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understanding you know which was dan

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fry's organization so we would talk with

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him and she said ray

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that's fake i said oh man you're right

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it's absolutely a fake she said that's a

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model on some kind of little lie and i

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said absolutely you saw it and we saw it

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so i said how would you like it if i ran

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this tonight at regular speed

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she said i'd love it yeah

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so

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we got there and i gave my talk and i

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said well i'll show you my film i said

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look i want to show you a wonderful film

2613
01:37:18,550 --> 01:37:16,800
that dan pryor got at the recent

2614
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spacecraft convention that this is an

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amazing movie

2616
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and i want you to see it

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01:37:26,629 --> 01:37:24,560
so i put i i slipped it onto the

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projector and

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i started to run it and dan literally he

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was behind the book table he physically

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jumped over the book table he catapulted

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over the book table ran over and grabbed

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01:37:40,149 --> 01:37:37,920
the switches don't damn turn that on to

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01:37:42,310 --> 01:37:40,159
normal speed you have to run into top

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speed

2626
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and i turned around and i said look

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these people want to see as much of this

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as they can dan and furthermore you're

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running slow there's less danger oh no

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it'll tear it up i said take my word for

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it if this tears it up i'll pay you a

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thousand dollars for it right now you

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know dan it's okay

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and man he broke out literally his

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forehead broke out into a cold sweat

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and he mumbo and sat down and we

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projected this and i'll tell you what

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happened

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when it was over with dan was back

2640
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behind the book table and a wonderful

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couple that i had met harry and margaret

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whipple i had been over to their place

2643
01:38:17,430 --> 01:38:14,960
in time over one night and they were

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great sincere honest people people and

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honest believers in pan try

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and have a little science enough to be

2647
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impressed by the little science and

2648
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suicides that he threw into his books

2649
01:38:30,950 --> 01:38:27,920
but uh

2650
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when it was over with harry

2651
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for walked up to dead and said you know

2652
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dan

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if i didn't know you so well

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i would swear

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that i saw

2656
01:38:41,830 --> 01:38:40,000
a piece of fishing line or nylon

2657
01:38:43,590 --> 01:38:41,840
filament attached to that thing and it

2658
01:38:45,109 --> 01:38:43,600
slipped down and you jerked it and

2659
01:38:46,870 --> 01:38:45,119
jerked it back up

2660
01:38:48,790 --> 01:38:46,880
and that's well i don't know what that

2661
01:38:50,390 --> 01:38:48,800
was it might have been some energy beam

2662
01:38:51,910 --> 01:38:50,400
or something you know i don't know i

2663
01:38:53,990 --> 01:38:51,920
don't even know what size this thing was

2664
01:38:57,430 --> 01:38:54,000
how close it was and so forth

2665
01:38:59,990 --> 01:38:57,440
all i know is that i saw it i filmed it

2666
01:39:01,830 --> 01:39:00,000
well that's not the end of the story one

2667
01:39:03,189 --> 01:39:01,840
night at the dinner today we we we

2668
01:39:05,189 --> 01:39:03,199
stayed for i think about a week at the

2669
01:39:07,430 --> 01:39:05,199
fry's house and um

2670
01:39:09,189 --> 01:39:07,440
one night at the dinner table i i asked

2671
01:39:11,669 --> 01:39:09,199
dan i said dan you know

2672
01:39:13,750 --> 01:39:11,679
i'm concerned about this film i mean

2673
01:39:15,750 --> 01:39:13,760
this looks like to me

2674
01:39:17,750 --> 01:39:15,760
a small object suspended near the camera

2675
01:39:19,910 --> 01:39:17,760
and it shows the kinematic properties of

2676
01:39:21,270 --> 01:39:19,920
that in his pendulation now he had

2677
01:39:22,950 --> 01:39:21,280
enough science background to know what i

2678
01:39:24,310 --> 01:39:22,960
was talking about

2679
01:39:25,990 --> 01:39:24,320
and he says

2680
01:39:27,430 --> 01:39:26,000
and these are probably almost his exact

2681
01:39:29,830 --> 01:39:27,440
words after all these years i remember

2682
01:39:32,709 --> 01:39:29,840
he says right well you know i've always

2683
01:39:34,149 --> 01:39:32,719
said i don't know how big this thing was

2684
01:39:35,830 --> 01:39:34,159
it could have been a big spaceship it

2685
01:39:36,870 --> 01:39:35,840
could have been a little uh a little

2686
01:39:38,790 --> 01:39:36,880
craft

2687
01:39:40,229 --> 01:39:38,800
maybe a foot or so in diameter i don't

2688
01:39:42,229 --> 01:39:40,239
know i don't know whether it was near me

2689
01:39:43,830 --> 01:39:42,239
or far away huh

2690
01:39:45,030 --> 01:39:43,840
he's there in broad daylight he's

2691
01:39:46,310 --> 01:39:45,040
filming this thing he doesn't know

2692
01:39:48,470 --> 01:39:46,320
whether it's a foot in diameter or

2693
01:39:50,629 --> 01:39:48,480
whether it's a big spaceship far away

2694
01:39:53,510 --> 01:39:50,639
but guess what while he's doing this

2695
01:39:55,270 --> 01:39:53,520
while he's saying this something happens

2696
01:39:56,629 --> 01:39:55,280
it's known to those of us who have

2697
01:39:59,109 --> 01:39:56,639
carefully studied

2698
01:40:01,350 --> 01:39:59,119
psychopathic liars as the tick now the

2699
01:40:03,910 --> 01:40:01,360
tick can manifest in various ways but

2700
01:40:05,350 --> 01:40:03,920
dan had a very bad one when he started

2701
01:40:07,270 --> 01:40:05,360
telling this lie

2702
01:40:09,270 --> 01:40:07,280
his shoulders started drinking up like

2703
01:40:11,109 --> 01:40:09,280
he's shrugging something off i mean big

2704
01:40:12,870 --> 01:40:11,119
time jerk both shoulders

2705
01:40:13,750 --> 01:40:12,880
i mean it was almost embarrassing to

2706
01:40:15,350 --> 01:40:13,760
watch

2707
01:40:16,629 --> 01:40:15,360
so i you know i changed the subject and

2708
01:40:18,310 --> 01:40:16,639
we're talking about the food we're

2709
01:40:20,149 --> 01:40:18,320
talking about the day nothing's

2710
01:40:21,510 --> 01:40:20,159
happening no shoulder jerk i said well

2711
01:40:24,229 --> 01:40:21,520
i'm gonna find out that that sure looked

2712
01:40:26,550 --> 01:40:24,239
like a tick to me i said dan you know i

2713
01:40:28,550 --> 01:40:26,560
wonder what it was like for you to

2714
01:40:29,830 --> 01:40:28,560
walk up to that two allen's craft there

2715
01:40:32,310 --> 01:40:29,840
that first night

2716
01:40:34,629 --> 01:40:32,320
oh in white sands you know i'm wondering

2717
01:40:36,149 --> 01:40:34,639
what what did you feel how

2718
01:40:39,030 --> 01:40:36,159
why would your inner feeling your

2719
01:40:40,550 --> 01:40:39,040
emotion and so on so forth and man

2720
01:40:42,629 --> 01:40:40,560
when he started telling that his

2721
01:40:44,550 --> 01:40:42,639
shoulder started jerking like crazy the

2722
01:40:47,030 --> 01:40:44,560
tick well i already knew this from

2723
01:40:48,950 --> 01:40:47,040
studying other cases of psychopathic

2724
01:40:50,870 --> 01:40:48,960
wires there had been one that appeared

2725
01:40:52,550 --> 01:40:50,880
on tv and that we met

2726
01:40:55,109 --> 01:40:52,560
named todd cuttridge there that claimed

2727
01:40:58,790 --> 01:40:55,119
to met some guys in green suits came out

2728
01:41:00,149 --> 01:40:58,800
of ufo very uncredible case and uh every

2729
01:41:01,270 --> 01:41:00,159
time he would start talking about this

2730
01:41:02,790 --> 01:41:01,280
rather than

2731
01:41:04,790 --> 01:41:02,800
you know how he worked where he worked

2732
01:41:06,790 --> 01:41:04,800
and so on and so forth you see in his

2733
01:41:08,390 --> 01:41:06,800
his left cheek his proper left cheek you

2734
01:41:10,070 --> 01:41:08,400
would see a tick it would jerk it would

2735
01:41:12,550 --> 01:41:10,080
actually jerk and by the way that's a

2736
01:41:14,070 --> 01:41:12,560
fairly common uh tick of psychopathic

2737
01:41:16,070 --> 01:41:14,080
wires but it can manifest in the

2738
01:41:19,109 --> 01:41:16,080
shoulders it can manifest in various

2739
01:41:20,390 --> 01:41:19,119
ways but the fact that dan fry even in

2740
01:41:22,950 --> 01:41:20,400
telling about the alleged first

2741
01:41:23,910 --> 01:41:22,960
experience he got the tick as soon as he

2742
01:41:25,990 --> 01:41:23,920
started

2743
01:41:27,510 --> 01:41:26,000
telling something that wasn't true the

2744
01:41:29,350 --> 01:41:27,520
thick started and when we changed

2745
01:41:30,790 --> 01:41:29,360
subject he got right back to normal and

2746
01:41:33,350 --> 01:41:30,800
i never saw him tick except when he

2747
01:41:36,870 --> 01:41:33,360
talked about these these hoaxes of his

2748
01:41:38,550 --> 01:41:36,880
wow some wacky characters out there

2749
01:41:41,430 --> 01:41:38,560
yeah i'll say yep

2750
01:41:43,990 --> 01:41:41,440
now just parenthetically here

2751
01:41:45,189 --> 01:41:44,000
obviously george adamski confessed to

2752
01:41:46,950 --> 01:41:45,199
you two

2753
01:41:49,109 --> 01:41:46,960
about what he was up to

2754
01:41:51,030 --> 01:41:49,119
any other contact he's

2755
01:41:53,910 --> 01:41:51,040
up and say you know what

2756
01:41:56,229 --> 01:41:53,920
it's not true we're just telling stories

2757
01:41:58,229 --> 01:41:56,239
no no i'm not a single one of them has

2758
01:42:01,270 --> 01:41:58,239
ever done this i would point out people

2759
01:42:02,950 --> 01:42:01,280
want to think about it that when adamski

2760
01:42:07,350 --> 01:42:02,960
confessed

2761
01:42:09,189 --> 01:42:07,360
and we exposed him

2762
01:42:11,669 --> 01:42:09,199
this exposed all the people that

2763
01:42:14,149 --> 01:42:11,679
copycatted him for example george van

2764
01:42:17,109 --> 01:42:14,159
tassel either george van talsa was

2765
01:42:18,790 --> 01:42:17,119
either totally fantasy prone

2766
01:42:20,149 --> 01:42:18,800
based on something he believed or he was

2767
01:42:21,350 --> 01:42:20,159
a liar because he claimed that

2768
01:42:23,189 --> 01:42:21,360
physically

2769
01:42:25,189 --> 01:42:23,199
the scout ship that adamski described

2770
01:42:27,030 --> 01:42:25,199
and allegedly photographed came down out

2771
01:42:28,790 --> 01:42:27,040
there and a space being that he said was

2772
01:42:30,550 --> 01:42:28,800
named solganda

2773
01:42:33,030 --> 01:42:30,560
came out of it and communicated with him

2774
01:42:35,510 --> 01:42:33,040
well i'm sorry but darth dadamski's

2775
01:42:37,990 --> 01:42:35,520
lampshade did not come down with anybody

2776
01:42:40,629 --> 01:42:38,000
inside of it and talk to to george van

2777
01:42:44,149 --> 01:42:42,629
that sounds like fun i'd love to be on

2778
01:42:45,590 --> 01:42:44,159
one of those

2779
01:42:47,669 --> 01:42:45,600
it sounds like something i might have

2780
01:42:50,629 --> 01:42:47,679
done when i was a kid i remember there

2781
01:42:52,790 --> 01:42:50,639
was a company that sold you like a

2782
01:42:54,709 --> 01:42:52,800
cardboard spaceship and it was big

2783
01:42:57,270 --> 01:42:54,719
enough the normal-sized kid can go in

2784
01:43:00,149 --> 01:42:57,280
there maybe two kids and play

2785
01:43:01,750 --> 01:43:00,159
you know space ranger or something

2786
01:43:03,590 --> 01:43:01,760
oh well hey

2787
01:43:05,990 --> 01:43:03,600
speaking of

2788
01:43:06,870 --> 01:43:06,000
ufo models let me tell you something

2789
01:43:09,350 --> 01:43:06,880
after

2790
01:43:10,709 --> 01:43:09,360
okay let me tell you this too oma got so

2791
01:43:12,310 --> 01:43:10,719
upset about this

2792
01:43:14,229 --> 01:43:12,320
she divorced him shortly thereafter she

2793
01:43:15,910 --> 01:43:14,239
knew for sure now that she'd seen that

2794
01:43:17,350 --> 01:43:15,920
movie and we'd slowed it down and she'd

2795
01:43:18,709 --> 01:43:17,360
seen the strength that all these things

2796
01:43:20,470 --> 01:43:18,719
of him not telling her about him until

2797
01:43:21,830 --> 01:43:20,480
he knew they'd been processed and what

2798
01:43:23,510 --> 01:43:21,840
might impress her

2799
01:43:25,350 --> 01:43:23,520
she knew that she had been lying to her

2800
01:43:26,550 --> 01:43:25,360
all these years and

2801
01:43:28,390 --> 01:43:26,560
although they've been married i think

2802
01:43:31,030 --> 01:43:28,400
since 1934

2803
01:43:33,189 --> 01:43:31,040
that that really ended it now he married

2804
01:43:34,709 --> 01:43:33,199
later a woman who went under the name of

2805
01:43:36,550 --> 01:43:34,719
tahalita if i remember the name

2806
01:43:38,870 --> 01:43:36,560
correctly after all these years

2807
01:43:41,270 --> 01:43:38,880
and do you think dan fry's movies oh by

2808
01:43:42,550 --> 01:43:41,280
the way he also made one or two movies

2809
01:43:44,870 --> 01:43:42,560
with another model made more

2810
01:43:46,790 --> 01:43:44,880
sophisticated with multiple bands around

2811
01:43:49,910 --> 01:43:46,800
the middle and white tissue paper in the

2812
01:43:52,149 --> 01:43:49,920
top and bottom and it uh up in in

2813
01:43:54,310 --> 01:43:52,159
washington oregon somewhere up there and

2814
01:43:55,910 --> 01:43:54,320
with the nice uh

2815
01:43:57,830 --> 01:43:55,920
evergreen trees in the background and so

2816
01:43:59,750 --> 01:43:57,840
on but it has the same properties it's

2817
01:44:01,350 --> 01:43:59,760
nothing but a small model and in that

2818
01:44:03,510 --> 01:44:01,360
case i'd have to i haven't looked at it

2819
01:44:05,510 --> 01:44:03,520
in some years i don't remember if it was

2820
01:44:07,830 --> 01:44:05,520
actually filmed on the scene or would if

2821
01:44:09,270 --> 01:44:07,840
it was double exposed in i just don't

2822
01:44:11,270 --> 01:44:09,280
know at this point but it's definitely a

2823
01:44:13,270 --> 01:44:11,280
small model made the same way but done

2824
01:44:15,030 --> 01:44:13,280
with a whole lot more care and

2825
01:44:17,830 --> 01:44:15,040
experience in this case but let's go to

2826
01:44:19,030 --> 01:44:17,840
tahlida the lady he married

2827
01:44:21,030 --> 01:44:19,040
years later

2828
01:44:22,709 --> 01:44:21,040
she claimed that she filmed

2829
01:44:23,669 --> 01:44:22,719
an adamski type craft i've seen the

2830
01:44:26,629 --> 01:44:23,679
movie

2831
01:44:28,470 --> 01:44:26,639
and uh what she filmed is really funny

2832
01:44:30,870 --> 01:44:28,480
because dan fry and anybody that ever

2833
01:44:33,910 --> 01:44:30,880
went to those conventions out on on then

2834
01:44:35,910 --> 01:44:33,920
at van tassel's place would see for sale

2835
01:44:37,510 --> 01:44:35,920
a japanese ashtray

2836
01:44:39,830 --> 01:44:37,520
that had from the ashtray it had a

2837
01:44:41,830 --> 01:44:39,840
curved uh steel

2838
01:44:43,270 --> 01:44:41,840
wire that went up and held a little tin

2839
01:44:44,870 --> 01:44:43,280
model

2840
01:44:46,149 --> 01:44:44,880
of adamski's

2841
01:44:48,470 --> 01:44:46,159
alleged

2842
01:44:50,229 --> 01:44:48,480
venusian scout ship and it was it was

2843
01:44:51,910 --> 01:44:50,239
carnegie's hack it didn't really match

2844
01:44:53,430 --> 01:44:51,920
in detail what the damski had you could

2845
01:44:55,189 --> 01:44:53,440
tell by looking at it wasn't the same

2846
01:44:57,109 --> 01:44:55,199
thing it wasn't nearly as sophisticated

2847
01:44:59,350 --> 01:44:57,119
as the big the lampshade the dams could

2848
01:45:01,430 --> 01:44:59,360
use with all kind of machining and

2849
01:45:03,510 --> 01:45:01,440
and finish fancy finish on it this was

2850
01:45:05,750 --> 01:45:03,520
just a you know little tin model of

2851
01:45:08,070 --> 01:45:05,760
adamski's thing but and it was used in

2852
01:45:09,189 --> 01:45:08,080
several different um fakes i i think

2853
01:45:13,350 --> 01:45:09,199
that

2854
01:45:15,270 --> 01:45:13,360
along with the help of certain other

2855
01:45:16,790 --> 01:45:15,280
parties the fake one too with that but

2856
01:45:19,030 --> 01:45:16,800
todd lita came out with this thing she

2857
01:45:20,629 --> 01:45:19,040
said does she film this

2858
01:45:21,669 --> 01:45:20,639
let's discuss the film in our next

2859
01:45:22,870 --> 01:45:21,679
segment

2860
01:45:24,950 --> 01:45:22,880
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2861
01:45:26,390 --> 01:45:24,960
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2862
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2918
01:48:14,149 --> 01:48:12,950
okay let's continue with ray stanford

2919
01:48:16,149 --> 01:48:14,159
describing

2920
01:48:17,910 --> 01:48:16,159
that picture and how it was made by the

2921
01:48:18,629 --> 01:48:17,920
way anytime you mention gray barker we

2922
01:48:20,870 --> 01:48:18,639
know

2923
01:48:24,070 --> 01:48:20,880
that he and jim mosley and others did

2924
01:48:26,229 --> 01:48:24,080
this lost creek movie some years later

2925
01:48:28,390 --> 01:48:26,239
yep yep yep that's it

2926
01:48:30,310 --> 01:48:28,400
and anyway let's talk about tahalida's

2927
01:48:32,070 --> 01:48:30,320
movie i was so shocked when i saw this

2928
01:48:33,669 --> 01:48:32,080
in the first place i recognized the

2929
01:48:34,790 --> 01:48:33,679
model from the some of the japanese

2930
01:48:37,030 --> 01:48:34,800
ashtrays

2931
01:48:38,629 --> 01:48:37,040
immediately it's clearly pendulating on

2932
01:48:40,070 --> 01:48:38,639
the line the crazy thing is you can even

2933
01:48:41,510 --> 01:48:40,080
see the line in this case you can

2934
01:48:42,470 --> 01:48:41,520
actually see it if you look carefully

2935
01:48:44,390 --> 01:48:42,480
there's a lot of people that are well

2936
01:48:45,910 --> 01:48:44,400
woo gee brussels spaceship don't bother

2937
01:48:47,590 --> 01:48:45,920
the stuff like that but if you look

2938
01:48:49,510 --> 01:48:47,600
carefully you can see it but this thing

2939
01:48:51,669 --> 01:48:49,520
is pendulating like this little model on

2940
01:48:53,430 --> 01:48:51,679
this thing with the woods all just

2941
01:48:55,430 --> 01:48:53,440
focused out in the background

2942
01:48:56,950 --> 01:48:55,440
and uh it's pendulating and all of a

2943
01:48:58,229 --> 01:48:56,960
sudden she moved her hand a little too

2944
01:49:00,149 --> 01:48:58,239
much and i pin laid a little too much

2945
01:49:01,590 --> 01:49:00,159
and guess what the crude little metal

2946
01:49:03,109 --> 01:49:01,600
bottom that had the little tongue and

2947
01:49:04,629 --> 01:49:03,119
groove one little metal tongue and

2948
01:49:05,910 --> 01:49:04,639
groove holding it in place under the

2949
01:49:08,149 --> 01:49:05,920
flange

2950
01:49:09,590 --> 01:49:08,159
popped out and the bottom fell out

2951
01:49:11,109 --> 01:49:09,600
and the opposite side of it had one

2952
01:49:14,229 --> 01:49:11,119
tongue of groove left and it fell down

2953
01:49:16,390 --> 01:49:14,239
and bounced

2954
01:49:19,510 --> 01:49:16,400
the model the whole bottom drops out and

2955
01:49:21,270 --> 01:49:19,520
you see this thing go bump bump bump

2956
01:49:23,430 --> 01:49:21,280
and after while she cuts off the camera

2957
01:49:25,350 --> 01:49:23,440
and she realized what's happening okay

2958
01:49:27,510 --> 01:49:25,360
they ask her what in the world happened

2959
01:49:29,669 --> 01:49:27,520
she said well that was an ecological

2960
01:49:31,270 --> 01:49:29,679
spacecraft the whole bottom opened up

2961
01:49:33,030 --> 01:49:31,280
and you can't see it on the film but

2962
01:49:35,189 --> 01:49:33,040
millions of birds from all over the sky

2963
01:49:36,870 --> 01:49:35,199
were sucked into there

2964
01:49:38,470 --> 01:49:36,880
and after i got off the camera it closed

2965
01:49:41,830 --> 01:49:38,480
back up

2966
01:49:43,189 --> 01:49:41,840
so there you go and that was damn

2967
01:49:44,390 --> 01:49:43,199
that was his second or third i don't

2968
01:49:45,430 --> 01:49:44,400
know which one

2969
01:49:47,750 --> 01:49:45,440
i don't know if he had a third one but

2970
01:49:48,709 --> 01:49:47,760
anyway that was aft after the nice lady

2971
01:49:50,149 --> 01:49:48,719
helmet

2972
01:49:53,430 --> 01:49:50,159
i always think here if you took one of

2973
01:49:55,109 --> 01:49:53,440
these contactees and they met a real ufo

2974
01:49:56,870 --> 01:49:55,119
they'd be running and screaming for

2975
01:49:58,790 --> 01:49:56,880
their lives

2976
01:49:59,990 --> 01:49:58,800
they would yeah yeah you'd probably have

2977
01:50:01,910 --> 01:50:00,000
to explain to them what it is their

2978
01:50:04,310 --> 01:50:01,920
concepts are so based on cartoonist

2979
01:50:06,229 --> 01:50:04,320
concepts and hoaxter's concepts of

2980
01:50:07,510 --> 01:50:06,239
descriptions of these things that they

2981
01:50:08,950 --> 01:50:07,520
might not even know the real thing if

2982
01:50:10,390 --> 01:50:08,960
they saw it because they're a lot more

2983
01:50:12,470 --> 01:50:10,400
exotic than they ever dreamed at least

2984
01:50:14,390 --> 01:50:12,480
based on my experience and my experience

2985
01:50:16,870 --> 01:50:14,400
my crew and our instruments

2986
01:50:18,229 --> 01:50:16,880
well i know howard menger had a series

2987
01:50:19,590 --> 01:50:18,239
of photos

2988
01:50:22,390 --> 01:50:19,600
that if you looked at them there were

2989
01:50:25,270 --> 01:50:22,400
paintings made of the spaceship taking

2990
01:50:27,590 --> 01:50:25,280
off in the movie the day the earth stood

2991
01:50:29,270 --> 01:50:27,600
still

2992
01:50:31,270 --> 01:50:29,280
well yeah he was he was a sign painter

2993
01:50:32,790 --> 01:50:31,280
by profession and uh yeah they

2994
01:50:34,709 --> 01:50:32,800
definitely were painted on there with

2995
01:50:36,550 --> 01:50:34,719
the you know just after glow paint i

2996
01:50:38,310 --> 01:50:36,560
guess uh yeah you could you could see in

2997
01:50:40,950 --> 01:50:38,320
some case see that and also he made a

2998
01:50:42,149 --> 01:50:40,960
common mistake that i didn't make when i

2999
01:50:43,910 --> 01:50:42,159
when i did the

3000
01:50:45,430 --> 01:50:43,920
improved version of the

3001
01:50:47,270 --> 01:50:45,440
the book cover on

3002
01:50:49,830 --> 01:50:47,280
on flying saucers have landed but he

3003
01:50:52,149 --> 01:50:49,840
made despite being a sign painter

3004
01:50:54,709 --> 01:50:52,159
he made the mistake of making the

3005
01:50:56,470 --> 01:50:54,719
ellipse of the top of the dome

3006
01:50:58,149 --> 01:50:56,480
out of parallel with the ellipse of the

3007
01:50:59,910 --> 01:50:58,159
bottom of the flange

3008
01:51:01,430 --> 01:50:59,920
and it's a typical mistake made by an

3009
01:51:02,790 --> 01:51:01,440
amateur artist

3010
01:51:04,390 --> 01:51:02,800
and that was very obvious but you could

3011
01:51:06,229 --> 01:51:04,400
also use it i mean it was obviously a

3012
01:51:07,910 --> 01:51:06,239
painting and you could also see the uh

3013
01:51:09,750 --> 01:51:07,920
you can see the brush jokes

3014
01:51:11,590 --> 01:51:09,760
and right but look if the guy is a sign

3015
01:51:14,149 --> 01:51:11,600
painter you want him to give

3016
01:51:16,390 --> 01:51:14,159
sign for your business or something

3017
01:51:18,390 --> 01:51:16,400
how does that qualify him for doing just

3018
01:51:21,590 --> 01:51:18,400
regular pictures

3019
01:51:23,910 --> 01:51:21,600
i don't know but you know he also had

3020
01:51:25,350 --> 01:51:23,920
that uh i think it was a movie slowly

3021
01:51:28,629 --> 01:51:25,360
taken on the surface of the moon which

3022
01:51:30,470 --> 01:51:28,639
is is really quite corn pone too

3023
01:51:32,310 --> 01:51:30,480
and by the way you you probably know you

3024
01:51:34,709 --> 01:51:32,320
get these adamski people today they they

3025
01:51:36,149 --> 01:51:34,719
so but but it's been proven there's an

3026
01:51:38,629 --> 01:51:36,159
atmosphere on the moon yeah sure i was

3027
01:51:40,709 --> 01:51:38,639
talking in fact with a with a high-level

3028
01:51:42,709 --> 01:51:40,719
engineer of many years experience at

3029
01:51:44,790 --> 01:51:42,719
goddard's place plus enter yesterday uh

3030
01:51:46,870 --> 01:51:44,800
day four yesterday over lunch and uh you

3031
01:51:48,149 --> 01:51:46,880
know they're designing now and they have

3032
01:51:50,790 --> 01:51:48,159
to go going over around the moon it's

3033
01:51:51,830 --> 01:51:50,800
going to be using spectroscopy to look

3034
01:51:54,550 --> 01:51:51,840
for uh

3035
01:51:56,709 --> 01:51:54,560
signs of water the moon does have a very

3036
01:51:59,270 --> 01:51:56,719
low grade atmosphere right near the

3037
01:52:00,870 --> 01:51:59,280
surface it never vessels off let's say

3038
01:52:02,950 --> 01:52:00,880
but it's nothing that anything could

3039
01:52:05,669 --> 01:52:02,960
live off of i mean it's just basically

3040
01:52:07,030 --> 01:52:05,679
instrument detectable and under certain

3041
01:52:09,669 --> 01:52:07,040
circumstances you might be able to see

3042
01:52:11,350 --> 01:52:09,679
it with proper optics but it's nothing

3043
01:52:13,669 --> 01:52:11,360
at all that would sustain life as we

3044
01:52:15,830 --> 01:52:13,679
know it and yet as you recall adamski

3045
01:52:18,390 --> 01:52:15,840
claimed to seeing an animal

3046
01:52:20,390 --> 01:52:18,400
run across the surface of the moon

3047
01:52:21,750 --> 01:52:20,400
and that there was life there well maybe

3048
01:52:23,750 --> 01:52:21,760
it was the rabbit in the moon my dad

3049
01:52:25,750 --> 01:52:23,760
showed me the rabbit a million years ago

3050
01:52:27,830 --> 01:52:25,760
and the the aztecs believed in a rabbit

3051
01:52:29,750 --> 01:52:27,840
in the moon

3052
01:52:32,229 --> 01:52:29,760
you know i told this story in the power

3053
01:52:34,709 --> 01:52:32,239
cast before you might like to hear it

3054
01:52:36,790 --> 01:52:34,719
and that is in the mid 60s i was working

3055
01:52:39,430 --> 01:52:36,800
with jim mosley at saucer news over at

3056
01:52:41,750 --> 01:52:39,440
303 fifth avenue in new york city

3057
01:52:44,229 --> 01:52:41,760
and jim gets a call from howard menger

3058
01:52:45,910 --> 01:52:44,239
now jim was none too kind to any of

3059
01:52:48,229 --> 01:52:45,920
these contactees

3060
01:52:50,629 --> 01:52:48,239
and mendrew suggests they have lunch

3061
01:52:53,030 --> 01:52:50,639
so we went across the street to a diner

3062
01:52:54,149 --> 01:52:53,040
just across from 303 fifth avenue i do

3063
01:52:55,990 --> 01:52:54,159
not know

3064
01:52:59,030 --> 01:52:56,000
if that diner is still here what the

3065
01:53:00,629 --> 01:52:59,040
office building is like in 2017. this is

3066
01:53:02,870 --> 01:53:00,639
many years ago

3067
01:53:04,709 --> 01:53:02,880
and mentor starts to go on

3068
01:53:07,430 --> 01:53:04,719
that he was part of some kind of

3069
01:53:10,070 --> 01:53:07,440
government experiment and that the

3070
01:53:11,830 --> 01:53:10,080
beings or alleged beings that he met

3071
01:53:13,830 --> 01:53:11,840
were government agents and he went on

3072
01:53:16,550 --> 01:53:13,840
for that for a while and they started

3073
01:53:19,030 --> 01:53:16,560
building models of flying saucers

3074
01:53:21,350 --> 01:53:19,040
and i wonder if this is a way for him to

3075
01:53:22,390 --> 01:53:21,360
kind of get out from under that cloud or

3076
01:53:24,790 --> 01:53:22,400
what

3077
01:53:26,950 --> 01:53:24,800
it sure sounds like it might be i think

3078
01:53:29,430 --> 01:53:26,960
i can't repel who but i think i've heard

3079
01:53:31,270 --> 01:53:29,440
of other claims like this you know if

3080
01:53:33,030 --> 01:53:31,280
you if you can't blame some play you

3081
01:53:35,270 --> 01:53:33,040
don't want yourself blamed to blame the

3082
01:53:37,589 --> 01:53:35,280
cia or the nsa or one of the one of the

3083
01:53:39,910 --> 01:53:37,599
three initial organizations

3084
01:53:41,910 --> 01:53:39,920
and uh you know by the way i would

3085
01:53:43,990 --> 01:53:41,920
mention the the accusation that people

3086
01:53:45,350 --> 01:53:44,000
make that somehow adamski was in

3087
01:53:47,990 --> 01:53:45,360
collusion with the intelligence

3088
01:53:49,910 --> 01:53:48,000
community let me say that i would not

3089
01:53:51,589 --> 01:53:49,920
buy that i could practically swear my

3090
01:53:52,830 --> 01:53:51,599
life that that could not possibly be

3091
01:53:56,229 --> 01:53:52,840
true

3092
01:53:57,990 --> 01:53:56,239
adamski was adamski and i guarantee you

3093
01:54:00,229 --> 01:53:58,000
he was not the kind of guy that had been

3094
01:54:02,550 --> 01:54:00,239
involved this was on his own

3095
01:54:04,310 --> 01:54:02,560
doing this stuff and people imagine all

3096
01:54:06,550 --> 01:54:04,320
kinds of things oh he had contact with

3097
01:54:08,390 --> 01:54:06,560
scientists from down in san diego naval

3098
01:54:10,390 --> 01:54:08,400
site of course he did because they were

3099
01:54:12,070 --> 01:54:10,400
interested i mean nobody knew much about

3100
01:54:13,430 --> 01:54:12,080
ufos at that time they wanted to see if

3101
01:54:16,470 --> 01:54:13,440
he was really

3102
01:54:18,310 --> 01:54:16,480
onto something or not and but i don't

3103
01:54:19,510 --> 01:54:18,320
buy for a minute that he was connected

3104
01:54:22,149 --> 01:54:19,520
with the intelligence community or that

3105
01:54:24,229 --> 01:54:22,159
he did any of this as a ploy but i will

3106
01:54:25,750 --> 01:54:24,239
add that people say oh the intelligent

3107
01:54:27,270 --> 01:54:25,760
community is always trying to destroy

3108
01:54:28,629 --> 01:54:27,280
this field and its credibility well let

3109
01:54:30,709 --> 01:54:28,639
me say

3110
01:54:32,709 --> 01:54:30,719
that the tendency of this field to for

3111
01:54:34,550 --> 01:54:32,719
people to be merely collectors

3112
01:54:35,990 --> 01:54:34,560
collect reports basically hearsay i

3113
01:54:38,310 --> 01:54:36,000
don't care how good the reporter who

3114
01:54:39,510 --> 01:54:38,320
reported it it's hearsay

3115
01:54:41,350 --> 01:54:39,520
their

3116
01:54:43,430 --> 01:54:41,360
tendency to collect

3117
01:54:45,990 --> 01:54:43,440
and extrapolate upon

3118
01:54:48,629 --> 01:54:46,000
descriptions that people give

3119
01:54:51,189 --> 01:54:48,639
has been done as much damage to this

3120
01:54:53,510 --> 01:54:51,199
this field as anything the intelligence

3121
01:54:55,109 --> 01:54:53,520
community could have done true there's

3122
01:54:57,830 --> 01:54:55,119
been a lot of attempt to discredit and

3123
01:55:00,070 --> 01:54:57,840
that's unfair and not good but

3124
01:55:02,550 --> 01:55:00,080
contrary to what one of the tv shows

3125
01:55:05,270 --> 01:55:02,560
tried to pretend zamora the government

3126
01:55:07,270 --> 01:55:05,280
never tried to discredit zamora in any

3127
01:55:09,189 --> 01:55:07,280
way whatsoever and had they done so

3128
01:55:11,270 --> 01:55:09,199
hindi would have really gotten home to

3129
01:55:14,870 --> 01:55:11,280
their case because this case really

3130
01:55:17,510 --> 01:55:14,880
impressed him but anyway the thing is

3131
01:55:19,589 --> 01:55:17,520
the intelligence community uh

3132
01:55:20,470 --> 01:55:19,599
they've been greatly helped by the fact

3133
01:55:22,629 --> 01:55:20,480
that

3134
01:55:23,750 --> 01:55:22,639
and we were seeing this again today

3135
01:55:25,350 --> 01:55:23,760
people

3136
01:55:27,830 --> 01:55:25,360
one major person in the field said what

3137
01:55:29,910 --> 01:55:27,840
we need to do is to get a gigantic

3138
01:55:31,589 --> 01:55:29,920
data bank of reports

3139
01:55:34,229 --> 01:55:31,599
the reports that have been collected by

3140
01:55:37,189 --> 01:55:34,239
any organization since the the 40s

3141
01:55:40,229 --> 01:55:37,199
have still not brought this to the table

3142
01:55:42,229 --> 01:55:40,239
of mainstream science only hard data

3143
01:55:44,229 --> 01:55:42,239
obtained with instruments

3144
01:55:45,830 --> 01:55:44,239
by good people who know how to document

3145
01:55:47,589 --> 01:55:45,840
what they're doing with the instruments

3146
01:55:49,910 --> 01:55:47,599
and how to report on it and analyze it

3147
01:55:51,910 --> 01:55:49,920
we'll get it there and if i could ever

3148
01:55:53,589 --> 01:55:51,920
get some of the people out there

3149
01:55:55,910 --> 01:55:53,599
to come here and let me show them what

3150
01:55:58,070 --> 01:55:55,920
my organization and i got they would

3151
01:56:00,629 --> 01:55:58,080
know we can move on the way but i need

3152
01:56:03,910 --> 01:56:00,639
help of a lot of people that have been

3153
01:56:06,310 --> 01:56:03,920
ignoring this and uh i hope somehow that

3154
01:56:09,669 --> 01:56:06,320
this will happen but anyway i think that

3155
01:56:12,070 --> 01:56:09,679
ufology is sometimes its own worst enemy

3156
01:56:13,669 --> 01:56:12,080
well i couldn't agree more ray i've been

3157
01:56:15,990 --> 01:56:13,679
kind of fascinated as the fly on the

3158
01:56:18,070 --> 01:56:16,000
wall here in today's show but

3159
01:56:21,030 --> 01:56:18,080
i think ufology does

3160
01:56:21,750 --> 01:56:21,040
more than an adequate job of

3161
01:56:24,470 --> 01:56:21,760
just

3162
01:56:28,629 --> 01:56:27,030
cacophony around the subject number one

3163
01:56:30,470 --> 01:56:28,639
and number two

3164
01:56:32,070 --> 01:56:30,480
just eating it's young and and shooting

3165
01:56:33,270 --> 01:56:32,080
itself in the in in the foot with the

3166
01:56:35,510 --> 01:56:33,280
howitzer

3167
01:56:38,310 --> 01:56:35,520
i don't think there's really uh any need

3168
01:56:40,390 --> 01:56:38,320
for the intelligence services to uh

3169
01:56:41,990 --> 01:56:40,400
to attempt to

3170
01:56:43,430 --> 01:56:42,000
to do it any better because it's been

3171
01:56:46,310 --> 01:56:43,440
already being done very effectively as

3172
01:56:50,310 --> 01:56:48,550
so they don't need any useful idiots the

3173
01:56:52,470 --> 01:56:50,320
intelligence agencies because these

3174
01:56:54,830 --> 01:56:52,480
people are too busy

3175
01:56:57,350 --> 01:56:54,840
behaving like useful

3176
01:56:58,870 --> 01:56:57,360
idiots well i'm sure you know from time

3177
01:57:01,189 --> 01:56:58,880
to time i think in the past there have

3178
01:57:02,550 --> 01:57:01,199
been some disinformation agents

3179
01:57:05,270 --> 01:57:02,560
um

3180
01:57:06,709 --> 01:57:05,280
in in there maybe now too but i i don't

3181
01:57:10,470 --> 01:57:06,719
think it's as pervasive as a lot of

3182
01:57:12,550 --> 01:57:10,480
people would like uh like to believe

3183
01:57:14,709 --> 01:57:12,560
we're recalling the contact ease here

3184
01:57:17,990 --> 01:57:14,719
with ray stanford we'll have more from

3185
01:57:20,070 --> 01:57:18,000
him in a few moments but i also

3186
01:57:22,790 --> 01:57:20,080
would like chris to check out our

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01:57:23,669 --> 01:57:22,800
questions any more relevant questions to

3188
01:57:28,229 --> 01:57:23,679
the

3189
01:57:30,149 --> 01:57:28,239
questions of ray's work and maybe we'll

3190
01:57:31,910 --> 01:57:30,159
have time to get to them before the end

3191
01:57:33,910 --> 01:57:31,920
of the show but we're going to focus

3192
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mostly on these experiences with race

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stanford and his early encounters with

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the contactees with gene and chris

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3294
02:02:15,510 --> 02:02:13,119
any more questions that are relevant to

3295
02:02:16,830 --> 02:02:15,520
the contactees in our forums

3296
02:02:18,470 --> 02:02:16,840
there are

3297
02:02:19,910 --> 02:02:18,480
actually

3298
02:02:22,070 --> 02:02:19,920
here's a good one

3299
02:02:25,030 --> 02:02:22,080
ray are you aware of any other cases

3300
02:02:27,109 --> 02:02:25,040
besides the raf bent waters incident

3301
02:02:29,510 --> 02:02:27,119
where military observers were close

3302
02:02:30,709 --> 02:02:29,520
enough to touch an unidentified object

3303
02:02:32,629 --> 02:02:30,719
by the way i'm not convinced that

3304
02:02:34,629 --> 02:02:32,639
anybody touching object bent waters i'm

3305
02:02:36,390 --> 02:02:34,639
not convinced of the testimony of the

3306
02:02:37,990 --> 02:02:36,400
individual who claims that they walked

3307
02:02:39,589 --> 02:02:38,000
around it and saw during the it might be

3308
02:02:41,910 --> 02:02:39,599
true i'm not saying it's not true but

3309
02:02:43,990 --> 02:02:41,920
i'm not convinced of it but

3310
02:02:45,830 --> 02:02:44,000
if our touchy objects i think there

3311
02:02:48,310 --> 02:02:45,840
probably was but i don't have any proof

3312
02:02:51,430 --> 02:02:48,320
of it for example when i was driving

3313
02:02:53,189 --> 02:02:51,440
back from zakur on april 30th 1964

3314
02:02:55,830 --> 02:02:53,199
following my initial

3315
02:02:58,149 --> 02:02:55,840
trip there an investigation uh i saw in

3316
02:03:00,550 --> 02:02:58,159
photograph got two photographs in color

3317
02:03:02,709 --> 02:03:00,560
hector chrome film of a rather

3318
02:03:04,229 --> 02:03:02,719
remarkable object actually objects when

3319
02:03:06,629 --> 02:03:04,239
one's in the area usually they're more

3320
02:03:08,629 --> 02:03:06,639
uh around it associated with it but that

3321
02:03:10,950 --> 02:03:08,639
was 10 30 in the morning heading back

3322
02:03:12,709 --> 02:03:10,960
toward phoenix on the highway across the

3323
02:03:14,870 --> 02:03:12,719
high plain there in new mexico where

3324
02:03:18,070 --> 02:03:14,880
they later built the great the array of

3325
02:03:19,430 --> 02:03:18,080
the radio telescopes and uh but at that

3326
02:03:21,750 --> 02:03:19,440
that same day and i think that same

3327
02:03:23,350 --> 02:03:21,760
morning allegedly as you probably know

3328
02:03:25,109 --> 02:03:23,360
uh

3329
02:03:27,270 --> 02:03:25,119
a bomber flying over the integrated

3330
02:03:28,470 --> 02:03:27,280
holloman white sands range saw an object

3331
02:03:30,149 --> 02:03:28,480
that the

3332
02:03:31,430 --> 02:03:30,159
that in response to questioning he said

3333
02:03:33,910 --> 02:03:31,440
look like what that policeman down to

3334
02:03:35,589 --> 02:03:33,920
zecora described and supposedly he said

3335
02:03:38,070 --> 02:03:35,599
now it's on the ground

3336
02:03:41,270 --> 02:03:38,080
and supposedly it did land

3337
02:03:42,550 --> 02:03:41,280
and supposedly according to rumors

3338
02:03:45,510 --> 02:03:42,560
it was filmed

3339
02:03:47,030 --> 02:03:45,520
and it's interesting but um there's

3340
02:03:49,109 --> 02:03:47,040
i'm trying to call something that i just

3341
02:03:51,669 --> 02:03:49,119
learned the other day by surprise about

3342
02:03:53,189 --> 02:03:51,679
that well okay i got the name of one of

3343
02:03:55,189 --> 02:03:53,199
the people apparently was involved in

3344
02:03:57,189 --> 02:03:55,199
filming this but

3345
02:03:58,950 --> 02:03:57,199
apparently it was supposed to been

3346
02:04:01,350 --> 02:03:58,960
filmed on the ground and there were

3347
02:04:03,510 --> 02:04:01,360
occupants and contact was made

3348
02:04:05,510 --> 02:04:03,520
now it may have happened uh because of

3349
02:04:07,910 --> 02:04:05,520
what i saw i'm you know maybe i have a

3350
02:04:09,830 --> 02:04:07,920
slight waiting toward i have a weight in

3351
02:04:11,270 --> 02:04:09,840
my mind it makes me tend to want to

3352
02:04:13,270 --> 02:04:11,280
believe that that's what happened but i

3353
02:04:14,950 --> 02:04:13,280
can't personally confirm it in any way

3354
02:04:16,790 --> 02:04:14,960
except that the lorenzen's jim crow

3355
02:04:18,790 --> 02:04:16,800
lorenzon heads of the aerophenomena

3356
02:04:20,310 --> 02:04:18,800
research organization apro

3357
02:04:22,390 --> 02:04:20,320
had several different

3358
02:04:24,550 --> 02:04:22,400
bits of information from different

3359
02:04:26,550 --> 02:04:24,560
people that indicated this and they

3360
02:04:28,550 --> 02:04:26,560
claimed to me that

3361
02:04:29,669 --> 02:04:28,560
that the man who processed the movie

3362
02:04:32,229 --> 02:04:29,679
film

3363
02:04:34,470 --> 02:04:32,239
also told him what he saw after he

3364
02:04:36,149 --> 02:04:34,480
processed it and i believe that it's

3365
02:04:39,189 --> 02:04:36,159
probably true

3366
02:04:41,669 --> 02:04:39,199
the odd thing about this is uh in my

3367
02:04:43,189 --> 02:04:41,679
experience is that uh we after i'd been

3368
02:04:45,830 --> 02:04:43,199
on the phil donahue show with alan

3369
02:04:48,870 --> 02:04:45,840
heineck i got a bunch of letters i was

3370
02:04:50,390 --> 02:04:48,880
contacted by a lady in austin whose

3371
02:04:52,390 --> 02:04:50,400
brother was

3372
02:04:54,229 --> 02:04:52,400
a scientist working a physical scientist

3373
02:04:56,070 --> 02:04:54,239
working at white sands

3374
02:04:57,430 --> 02:04:56,080
and she had told if you called him and

3375
02:04:58,550 --> 02:04:57,440
told him about what she saw and she

3376
02:05:00,149 --> 02:04:58,560
didn't know we were right there she was

3377
02:05:02,870 --> 02:05:00,159
in austin that we were right there in

3378
02:05:05,510 --> 02:05:02,880
austin and she told him and

3379
02:05:08,950 --> 02:05:05,520
he said listen we've been plagued this

3380
02:05:10,790 --> 02:05:08,960
was the summer july of uh 78 and we've

3381
02:05:12,149 --> 02:05:10,800
been plagued out here tell them if they

3382
02:05:13,589 --> 02:05:12,159
could i can't get them on the base but

3383
02:05:15,350 --> 02:05:13,599
if they can sneak around i can

3384
02:05:17,270 --> 02:05:15,360
practically guarantee them they will get

3385
02:05:19,510 --> 02:05:17,280
them with those instruments because this

3386
02:05:21,189 --> 02:05:19,520
is so intense that we have had a

3387
02:05:22,950 --> 02:05:21,199
directive to use any means at our

3388
02:05:24,790 --> 02:05:22,960
disposal to get intelligence on these

3389
02:05:26,390 --> 02:05:24,800
objects well without telling the story

3390
02:05:28,470 --> 02:05:26,400
which we don't have time to tell today

3391
02:05:30,709 --> 02:05:28,480
we went out there and we experienced

3392
02:05:32,629 --> 02:05:30,719
what i called even at the time a

3393
02:05:34,550 --> 02:05:32,639
ufologer's dream

3394
02:05:36,390 --> 02:05:34,560
but the curious thing was

3395
02:05:38,470 --> 02:05:36,400
that this was a few months after the

3396
02:05:40,629 --> 02:05:38,480
movie close encounters the third kind

3397
02:05:42,709 --> 02:05:40,639
came out in december of 77

3398
02:05:44,510 --> 02:05:42,719
and this was in uh this was on the night

3399
02:05:48,470 --> 02:05:44,520
of july 19

3400
02:05:50,870 --> 02:05:48,480
1978 and by golly just like on

3401
02:05:53,990 --> 02:05:50,880
devil's tower in the movie

3402
02:05:55,750 --> 02:05:54,000
somebody had constructed huge lighted

3403
02:05:58,229 --> 02:05:55,760
yellow sequencing panels high-speed

3404
02:05:59,589 --> 02:05:58,239
sequencing panels atop oscura peak

3405
02:06:01,510 --> 02:05:59,599
that's an interesting place because if

3406
02:06:03,589 --> 02:06:01,520
you stand on top of it look right down

3407
02:06:05,189 --> 02:06:03,599
the west slope down just a little ways

3408
02:06:07,589 --> 02:06:05,199
is the trinity site where the first

3409
02:06:09,589 --> 02:06:07,599
nuclear bomb was set off but anyway

3410
02:06:11,589 --> 02:06:09,599
these panels sequenced and objects did

3411
02:06:12,950 --> 02:06:11,599
incredible maneuvers then mysteriously

3412
02:06:15,030 --> 02:06:12,960
they would take off moving at a few

3413
02:06:17,669 --> 02:06:15,040
hundred miles per hour and move off

3414
02:06:19,030 --> 02:06:17,679
exactly on the coordinate of socorro and

3415
02:06:20,629 --> 02:06:19,040
would apparently as soon as they get in

3416
02:06:21,669 --> 02:06:20,639
this girl here they would vanish to our

3417
02:06:23,830 --> 02:06:21,679
eyes but

3418
02:06:25,510 --> 02:06:23,840
in one case we left the camera open that

3419
02:06:27,669 --> 02:06:25,520
was photographing them the 35 millimeter

3420
02:06:29,430 --> 02:06:27,679
camera and we found out that at

3421
02:06:31,430 --> 02:06:29,440
incredible speed there is a streak where

3422
02:06:32,790 --> 02:06:31,440
they go back and reappear mysterio they

3423
02:06:34,790 --> 02:06:32,800
look to the naked eye like they just

3424
02:06:36,390 --> 02:06:34,800
appeared at this

3425
02:06:39,430 --> 02:06:36,400
coordinate and reappeared in front of

3426
02:06:41,030 --> 02:06:39,440
the panels but actually the photograph

3427
02:06:42,629 --> 02:06:41,040
or maybe one more than one photograph

3428
02:06:44,229 --> 02:06:42,639
show that there was a instead of the

3429
02:06:46,470 --> 02:06:44,239
slow trip over there a few hundred miles

3430
02:06:48,470 --> 02:06:46,480
per hour at incredible speed thousands

3431
02:06:50,550 --> 02:06:48,480
of miles per hour they streak back and

3432
02:06:52,069 --> 02:06:50,560
suddenly reappear to the eye in front of

3433
02:06:53,830 --> 02:06:52,079
the panels doing maneuvers that put

3434
02:06:56,229 --> 02:06:53,840
anything you saw in close encounters to

3435
02:06:58,470 --> 02:06:56,239
shame but what puzzles me

3436
02:07:00,870 --> 02:06:58,480
could these beings be using some kind of

3437
02:07:02,390 --> 02:07:00,880
symbolic logic why did they keep going

3438
02:07:04,229 --> 02:07:02,400
over to sakura

3439
02:07:05,510 --> 02:07:04,239
then disappearing to the eye and coming

3440
02:07:07,830 --> 02:07:05,520
back and maneuvering from those times

3441
02:07:09,910 --> 02:07:07,840
and go back to squirrel again finally

3442
02:07:11,589 --> 02:07:09,920
after 35 minutes and we had a weird

3443
02:07:12,870 --> 02:07:11,599
pre-sentence of knowing what was going

3444
02:07:14,709 --> 02:07:12,880
to happen i said there's a tape

3445
02:07:17,030 --> 02:07:14,719
regarding this i say it out loud and

3446
02:07:18,629 --> 02:07:17,040
strangely my wife and the man who was

3447
02:07:20,790 --> 02:07:18,639
the other man who was on our crew with

3448
02:07:22,550 --> 02:07:20,800
us agree with me irrationally we don't

3449
02:07:23,990 --> 02:07:22,560
know why we felt that way but we knew

3450
02:07:25,910 --> 02:07:24,000
that that time when they maneuvered at

3451
02:07:28,149 --> 02:07:25,920
the panels they would no longer go back

3452
02:07:29,990 --> 02:07:28,159
to this girl they would head over

3453
02:07:31,589 --> 02:07:30,000
to holloman air force base

3454
02:07:33,750 --> 02:07:31,599
and that's what they did although you

3455
02:07:35,750 --> 02:07:33,760
hear it on the tape before it happened

3456
02:07:38,069 --> 02:07:35,760
but what puzzles me is what was the

3457
02:07:40,550 --> 02:07:38,079
socorro connection why would they leave

3458
02:07:42,470 --> 02:07:40,560
the panels go back over to the coral

3459
02:07:43,750 --> 02:07:42,480
suddenly vanish to the eye reappear in

3460
02:07:45,830 --> 02:07:43,760
front of the panels doing incredible

3461
02:07:47,750 --> 02:07:45,840
maneuvers then slowly at a few hundred

3462
02:07:49,189 --> 02:07:47,760
miles per hour go back over there i

3463
02:07:51,030 --> 02:07:49,199
don't know that there's a connection i

3464
02:07:51,910 --> 02:07:51,040
don't claim to understand it but i wish

3465
02:07:54,310 --> 02:07:51,920
i could

3466
02:07:56,149 --> 02:07:54,320
and again this was 78

3467
02:07:58,709 --> 02:07:56,159
78 july 19th

3468
02:08:01,189 --> 02:07:58,719
right in the evening well we i remember

3469
02:08:02,950 --> 02:08:01,199
we did cover your experiences out of

3470
02:08:05,910 --> 02:08:02,960
white sands in quite quite a bit of

3471
02:08:06,950 --> 02:08:05,920
detail and i do urge our listeners to go

3472
02:08:09,109 --> 02:08:06,960
to uh

3473
02:08:12,229 --> 02:08:09,119
i think would be rey's second appearance

3474
02:08:14,229 --> 02:08:12,239
at the paracast back in 2009 or 10

3475
02:08:16,790 --> 02:08:14,239
where he does uh go into quite a bit of

3476
02:08:18,629 --> 02:08:16,800
detail about the documentation

3477
02:08:20,790 --> 02:08:18,639
uh in the scientific data that they were

3478
02:08:23,350 --> 02:08:20,800
able to acquire with their instruments

3479
02:08:25,750 --> 02:08:23,360
while they were experiencing this

3480
02:08:27,109 --> 02:08:25,760
this very very um i think important uh

3481
02:08:29,669 --> 02:08:27,119
exciting event

3482
02:08:32,229 --> 02:08:29,679
that uh resulted in quite a bit of of

3483
02:08:33,830 --> 02:08:32,239
scientific hard data which uh we go into

3484
02:08:37,270 --> 02:08:33,840
quite like i said quite a bit of detail

3485
02:08:38,870 --> 02:08:37,280
on our previous uh show with ray but

3486
02:08:40,709 --> 02:08:38,880
uh ray i have some other questions here

3487
02:08:43,030 --> 02:08:40,719
we're starting to run out of time this

3488
02:08:44,470 --> 02:08:43,040
is a really good one this is um

3489
02:08:46,470 --> 02:08:44,480
this comes off

3490
02:08:48,629 --> 02:08:46,480
as someone that is really

3491
02:08:49,830 --> 02:08:48,639
thinking outside of the box

3492
02:08:51,830 --> 02:08:49,840
and again this comes from thomas

3493
02:08:53,430 --> 02:08:51,840
morrison i wonder if mr stanford has

3494
02:08:55,669 --> 02:08:53,440
ever considered that an advanced

3495
02:08:58,229 --> 02:08:55,679
humanoid species might conduct an

3496
02:09:00,310 --> 02:08:58,239
elaborate psychological operation with a

3497
02:09:02,870 --> 02:09:00,320
range of human subjects as a smoke

3498
02:09:05,750 --> 02:09:02,880
screen to protect a real contactee from

3499
02:09:07,990 --> 02:09:05,760
potentially dire official consequences

3500
02:09:10,790 --> 02:09:08,000
by creating a rash of campion laughable

3501
02:09:12,229 --> 02:09:10,800
contact experiences a genuine contact he

3502
02:09:14,470 --> 02:09:12,239
would be written off as just another

3503
02:09:16,470 --> 02:09:14,480
silly hoax instead of being detained

3504
02:09:18,229 --> 02:09:16,480
interrogated and possibly tested or

3505
02:09:19,750 --> 02:09:18,239
tortured if the government actually

3506
02:09:21,750 --> 02:09:19,760
believed that they had had contact with

3507
02:09:23,430 --> 02:09:21,760
an advanced alien race

3508
02:09:24,950 --> 02:09:23,440
that sounds like something our own

3509
02:09:26,950 --> 02:09:24,960
intelligence agencies might do if we

3510
02:09:29,350 --> 02:09:26,960
wanted to make covert contact on an

3511
02:09:31,109 --> 02:09:29,360
alien planet so why wouldn't even a more

3512
02:09:33,109 --> 02:09:31,119
advanced civilization employ

3513
02:09:34,709 --> 02:09:33,119
sophisticated deceptions like that with

3514
02:09:36,390 --> 02:09:34,719
us

3515
02:09:38,470 --> 02:09:36,400
we don't it's a good question but the

3516
02:09:41,109 --> 02:09:38,480
thing is uh when you begin to think like

3517
02:09:41,910 --> 02:09:41,119
that it's kind of like a guy i knew that

3518
02:09:42,950 --> 02:09:41,920
that

3519
02:09:45,270 --> 02:09:42,960
tripped out and had to be in the

3520
02:09:47,750 --> 02:09:45,280
hospital for six months from lsd

3521
02:09:49,910 --> 02:09:47,760
and when he recovered and came out

3522
02:09:51,750 --> 02:09:49,920
a few months later he did it again when

3523
02:09:54,870 --> 02:09:51,760
he finally came back to life after that

3524
02:09:56,310 --> 02:09:54,880
one i asked him why he said i i did it

3525
02:09:57,510 --> 02:09:56,320
to try to understand why i did it the

3526
02:09:58,229 --> 02:09:57,520
first time

3527
02:09:59,910 --> 02:09:58,239
and

3528
02:10:01,830 --> 02:09:59,920
the thing is when we get ourselves into

3529
02:10:03,669 --> 02:10:01,840
this convoluted kind of reasoning which

3530
02:10:05,430 --> 02:10:03,679
is pure speculation

3531
02:10:08,069 --> 02:10:05,440
about a case instead of taking the

3532
02:10:11,669 --> 02:10:08,079
evidence that it is a hoax at face value

3533
02:10:14,470 --> 02:10:11,679
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you're listening to the paracast the

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[Music]

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so we had to stop that answer

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for the break but now ray stanford would

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you continue your response

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okay yes in other words

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it gets us nowhere to think like this we

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not only can we not prove it but it gets

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into a deep quagmire of potentially

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and you can never prove it there's no

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testability it's not science it's it's

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it gets so convoluted to explain why

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when knowing human nature it's very

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simple to see

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the behavior of daniel fry and the the

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tick is has been known uh long before we

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talked about ufos uh when people are

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psychopathic liars and when you see this

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i'll say this although ocom's razor is

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not a scientific principle it is a

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philosophical principle it suggests that

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the explanation that is most

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commensurate with the fact the simplest

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explanation commentary with the facts is

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the one that should be taken in this

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case i would certainly agree

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and we i think we we need to be very

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cautious when we're talking about things

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like this not allow ourselves to get

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into convoluted thought

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and delusion without any basis

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whatsoever to believe it we can think

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all day we can think of it as science

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fiction and that it might happen but

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when we go trying to convince ourselves

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that it happened in a case where it has

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a much simpler explanation as a hoax or

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otherwise

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i think we're getting into deep waters

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that we would better avoid

3693
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that also kind of leads me to the next

3694
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question which is uh kind of along the

3695
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same lines and this one comes from

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william strathman

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prior to claiming contact that damski

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was involved in the occult truman

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bathroom was a spiritual advisor and

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george van tassel was hosting group

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meditations in your opinion where

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adamski bathroom and van tassel simply

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lying about their experiences or do you

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think it's possible that they were

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misled by the occult and spiritual

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powers that they had been involved with

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or had attempted to be involved with to

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the point of even including visionary

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experiences and telepathic communication

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well

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it's a good question but the problem is

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i have the same answer to the one before

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we get into speculation to which we

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cannot determine the answer and

3715
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therefore we can get into we can be end

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up dismissing something as something

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that it isn't really the thing is

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something though is known about human

3719
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nature and human behavior

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and when we see these things in a case

3721
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like this it is most commensurate with

3722
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the facts simply to realize that we're

3723
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dealing with hoaxers that in some cases

3724
02:17:38,150 --> 02:17:36,000
as in damski did have spiritual beliefs

3725
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and i think at some level dan felt that

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he wanted to try to do some good with

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his organization because i i think he

3728
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used this as a you know i don't

3729
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understand it unless it was his status

3730
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inconsistency he's intelligent man but

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who was never he was disadvantaged as a

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child because of of uh losing his

3733
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parents and another sad situation and i

3734
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think he wanted to do something but i

3735
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think if this was the means he chose to

3736
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do it it was a self-defeating means uh

3737
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in in the long run

3738
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but anyway

3739
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we just need to be cautious and take go

3740
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where the facts lead us most obviously

3741
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and not get into convoluted

3742
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extrapolations upon certain parts of the

3743
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the facts

3744
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i think that's good

3745
02:18:23,270 --> 02:18:21,359
good advice

3746
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hey i've got an idea do we have time for

3747
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me to say a bit about truman bathroom

3748
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we wanted to get into truman i think we

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have a couple of segments left so yes we

3750
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do

3751
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okay

3752
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truman beltram is very controversial

3753
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most people in this field

3754
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don't believe him

3755
02:18:41,270 --> 02:18:39,679
and yes there are some things in in the

3756
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stories of things that allegedly are

3757
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arranged the female captain of a third

3758
02:18:47,589 --> 02:18:45,599
two member male crew uh lately told him

3759
02:18:48,629 --> 02:18:47,599
that are pure bs obviously

3760
02:18:49,830 --> 02:18:48,639
but

3761
02:18:52,150 --> 02:18:49,840
there are some odd things about this

3762
02:18:54,230 --> 02:18:52,160
that i ran into and now i can say i i

3763
02:18:56,389 --> 02:18:54,240
met truman uh one day uh we went up to

3764
02:18:58,230 --> 02:18:56,399
prescott uh my brother and i and bob

3765
02:19:00,549 --> 02:18:58,240
matthews and uh on the way back from

3766
02:19:02,469 --> 02:19:00,559
california trip and uh maybe the same

3767
02:19:04,790 --> 02:19:02,479
trip i mentioned before and uh

3768
02:19:07,589 --> 02:19:04,800
uh he he seems sincere and i know that

3769
02:19:09,190 --> 02:19:07,599
uh i knew people in prescott i i lived

3770
02:19:10,549 --> 02:19:09,200
it there for a little while that knew

3771
02:19:12,469 --> 02:19:10,559
him personally and felt he was totally

3772
02:19:14,389 --> 02:19:12,479
sincere and that he was really in love

3773
02:19:15,429 --> 02:19:14,399
with our arranged the space captain all

3774
02:19:16,230 --> 02:19:15,439
right let me tell you what happened to

3775
02:19:25,669 --> 02:19:16,240
me

3776
02:19:27,270 --> 02:19:25,679
said your arab your arab and i said what

3777
02:19:29,990 --> 02:19:27,280
are you talking about she said my

3778
02:19:32,309 --> 02:19:30,000
husband is the famous painter jay davis

3779
02:19:34,150 --> 02:19:32,319
but he has the the katina school of art

3780
02:19:36,150 --> 02:19:34,160
and tonight we are painting an arab and

3781
02:19:38,230 --> 02:19:36,160
if we could put a thing on your head and

3782
02:19:40,150 --> 02:19:38,240
uh you got that beer and a mustache you

3783
02:19:41,830 --> 02:19:40,160
make a perfect arab so we'd like to use

3784
02:19:43,429 --> 02:19:41,840
zero zero model tonight we'll pay you

3785
02:19:44,709 --> 02:19:43,439
can we do this well i said sure that

3786
02:19:46,950 --> 02:19:44,719
sounds like fun i'd like to meet jay

3787
02:19:48,630 --> 02:19:46,960
i've seen his paintings for years and in

3788
02:19:51,910 --> 02:19:48,640
arizona highways and elsewhere in

3789
02:19:54,389 --> 02:19:51,920
buildings and so sure so i did well i

3790
02:19:57,510 --> 02:19:54,399
got to talking with jay and he found out

3791
02:19:58,790 --> 02:19:57,520
that i paint and so uh

3792
02:20:00,710 --> 02:19:58,800
he said look

3793
02:20:02,790 --> 02:20:00,720
in this big huge studio he had

3794
02:20:04,309 --> 02:20:02,800
he was painting a mural on a canvas the

3795
02:20:06,630 --> 02:20:04,319
mural i don't know it made him 100 feet

3796
02:20:09,429 --> 02:20:06,640
long it was to go up in the wall of a

3797
02:20:11,750 --> 02:20:09,439
gigantic uh swimming pool on the head of

3798
02:20:13,990 --> 02:20:11,760
camelback mountain some wealthy builder

3799
02:20:15,670 --> 02:20:14,000
had built it was building us up there

3800
02:20:17,110 --> 02:20:15,680
and it was a forest with deer and it

3801
02:20:18,389 --> 02:20:17,120
would have a water a real waterfall to

3802
02:20:20,070 --> 02:20:18,399
come out of the end of it and go right

3803
02:20:21,910 --> 02:20:20,080
down into the stream with pumps bringing

3804
02:20:23,910 --> 02:20:21,920
the water back around and

3805
02:20:25,349 --> 02:20:23,920
so i said sure day i'll be happy to help

3806
02:20:27,190 --> 02:20:25,359
you paint this i realize how big it is

3807
02:20:28,150 --> 02:20:27,200
what a job it is so

3808
02:20:30,150 --> 02:20:28,160
i did

3809
02:20:32,550 --> 02:20:30,160
one day we're painting and he said well

3810
02:20:34,389 --> 02:20:32,560
you you said you're into ufos

3811
02:20:36,309 --> 02:20:34,399
he said let me tell you something he

3812
02:20:38,710 --> 02:20:36,319
said uh he said if you want to meet this

3813
02:20:40,790 --> 02:20:38,720
guy i could introduce you to him but he

3814
02:20:42,469 --> 02:20:40,800
said i'll tell you the story now

3815
02:20:44,469 --> 02:20:42,479
uh he knew a man that was

3816
02:20:46,309 --> 02:20:44,479
he was retired from whatever business i

3817
02:20:48,550 --> 02:20:46,319
don't know but he was a good goldsmith

3818
02:20:50,870 --> 02:20:48,560
and and silversmith and he used lost wax

3819
02:20:52,469 --> 02:20:50,880
and making some really nice uh jewelry

3820
02:20:53,910 --> 02:20:52,479
for people in uh

3821
02:20:54,790 --> 02:20:53,920
up in prescott where truman bathroom

3822
02:20:56,469 --> 02:20:54,800
lived

3823
02:20:59,190 --> 02:20:56,479
and

3824
02:21:00,150 --> 02:20:59,200
okay what happens is this this man who

3825
02:21:04,630 --> 02:21:00,160
who

3826
02:21:06,630 --> 02:21:04,640
back to work as a banker in phoenix was

3827
02:21:08,870 --> 02:21:06,640
attending a civics club meeting but well

3828
02:21:11,429 --> 02:21:08,880
let me go back to prescott one day he

3829
02:21:12,950 --> 02:21:11,439
was at his shop and he said this strange

3830
02:21:15,030 --> 02:21:12,960
little lady he said she walked through

3831
02:21:16,550 --> 02:21:15,040
the door i forget this high read truman

3832
02:21:18,790 --> 02:21:16,560
bathroom book and see what size or

3833
02:21:20,870 --> 02:21:18,800
arranged was four foot two hydro blue

3834
02:21:23,030 --> 02:21:20,880
whatever but uh she was wearing i think

3835
02:21:25,429 --> 02:21:23,040
a red blouse and a black pleated skirt

3836
02:21:28,070 --> 02:21:25,439
he describes and uh he said this little

3837
02:21:29,349 --> 02:21:28,080
lady that size walked in the door and he

3838
02:21:31,270 --> 02:21:29,359
looked at her and

3839
02:21:33,349 --> 02:21:31,280
oh my god

3840
02:21:34,630 --> 02:21:33,359
that little woman is out of this world

3841
02:21:35,910 --> 02:21:34,640
he said that's a figure of speech he

3842
02:21:37,750 --> 02:21:35,920
used for himself

3843
02:21:39,429 --> 02:21:37,760
and she came back and she said hello she

3844
02:21:41,670 --> 02:21:39,439
said i'm wondering if if you could she

3845
02:21:43,830 --> 02:21:41,680
said i have a feeling you're talented

3846
02:21:46,710 --> 02:21:43,840
i'd like to ask if you could could make

3847
02:21:49,190 --> 02:21:46,720
this for me and she drew a round disc

3848
02:21:51,429 --> 02:21:49,200
with a human hand on it the palm facing

3849
02:21:52,710 --> 02:21:51,439
forward to the observer and it's doing

3850
02:21:54,309 --> 02:21:52,720
believe it or not the boy scout symbol

3851
02:21:55,910 --> 02:21:54,319
with three fingers sticking up but you

3852
02:21:57,429 --> 02:21:55,920
know the the little finger and then the

3853
02:21:58,630 --> 02:21:57,439
thumb together

3854
02:22:00,469 --> 02:21:58,640
and um

3855
02:22:02,070 --> 02:22:00,479
just make it out of pure gold and he

3856
02:22:04,150 --> 02:22:02,080
said i can make it lost wax and then

3857
02:22:06,309 --> 02:22:04,160
cast it as gold and there will be no

3858
02:22:07,590 --> 02:22:06,319
problem she said okay i know you're an

3859
02:22:09,590 --> 02:22:07,600
honest man i know you're going to do a

3860
02:22:11,830 --> 02:22:09,600
good job so here's the money she gave

3861
02:22:13,750 --> 02:22:11,840
him cash said just bring it down and

3862
02:22:15,750 --> 02:22:13,760
leave it at the desk

3863
02:22:17,910 --> 02:22:15,760
for and he gave her name

3864
02:22:20,550 --> 02:22:17,920
just tell her it's for aura

3865
02:22:22,230 --> 02:22:20,560
so he did he had nothing you know it was

3866
02:22:23,910 --> 02:22:22,240
strange that this woman was very strange

3867
02:22:26,309 --> 02:22:23,920
and she's totally trusting

3868
02:22:27,830 --> 02:22:26,319
but he made it now in making the wax

3869
02:22:29,990 --> 02:22:27,840
thing for it he made an accidental

3870
02:22:31,510 --> 02:22:30,000
coverage making the lines of the palm

3871
02:22:33,750 --> 02:22:31,520
and but he knew that he messed with it

3872
02:22:35,670 --> 02:22:33,760
too much and messed it up so he left

3873
02:22:37,910 --> 02:22:35,680
he left it as much as the part that he

3874
02:22:39,670 --> 02:22:37,920
thought he couldn't correct and he went

3875
02:22:41,510 --> 02:22:39,680
ahead and cast it and he made it he put

3876
02:22:43,030 --> 02:22:41,520
it on the gold chain and to take it down

3877
02:22:44,950 --> 02:22:43,040
and left it for her

3878
02:22:47,110 --> 02:22:44,960
well when he finally left this job and

3879
02:22:49,349 --> 02:22:47,120
finished he went back in into banking he

3880
02:22:52,469 --> 02:22:49,359
was a president or a high level vice

3881
02:22:53,990 --> 02:22:52,479
president of one of the banks there

3882
02:22:55,030 --> 02:22:54,000
he was attending the civics club meeting

3883
02:22:57,110 --> 02:22:55,040
one day

3884
02:22:58,710 --> 02:22:57,120
and they said now today we have and by

3885
02:23:00,309 --> 02:22:58,720
the way this guy was a total disbeliever

3886
02:23:02,790 --> 02:23:00,319
he did not believe in ufos if he's still

3887
02:23:04,710 --> 02:23:02,800
living he still doesn't i'm sure but

3888
02:23:06,950 --> 02:23:04,720
they said today we have a man who says

3889
02:23:09,670 --> 02:23:06,960
that he met the female captain of a

3890
02:23:12,389 --> 02:23:09,680
32-member male crew of a ufo 300 feet in

3891
02:23:14,070 --> 02:23:12,399
diameter on the desert not once but

3892
02:23:17,030 --> 02:23:14,080
several times

3893
02:23:19,030 --> 02:23:17,040
his name is truman bethem and uh

3894
02:23:20,550 --> 02:23:19,040
welcome truman father he got him he gave

3895
02:23:22,870 --> 02:23:20,560
his talk and this guy said he was

3896
02:23:22,870 --> 02:23:24,469
laughing his ass off this lying son of a

3897
02:23:27,510 --> 02:23:25,910
but

3898
02:23:28,790 --> 02:23:27,520
all of a sudden he got to the

3899
02:23:30,469 --> 02:23:28,800
description

3900
02:23:33,590 --> 02:23:30,479
of her clothing

3901
02:23:34,710 --> 02:23:33,600
and her height you know that sounds

3902
02:23:36,070 --> 02:23:34,720
familiar

3903
02:23:37,910 --> 02:23:36,080
and

3904
02:23:39,910 --> 02:23:37,920
he um

3905
02:23:41,349 --> 02:23:39,920
when the thing was over he said he was

3906
02:23:43,110 --> 02:23:41,359
trembling he said he had the weirdest

3907
02:23:45,349 --> 02:23:43,120
feeling he went up to about the map he

3908
02:23:48,710 --> 02:23:45,359
said mr bedroom

3909
02:23:50,469 --> 02:23:48,720
are you wearing that metal oh

3910
02:23:52,630 --> 02:23:50,479
he's oh he uh truman bathroom said that

3911
02:23:55,590 --> 02:23:52,640
that that that our range had given him a

3912
02:23:57,670 --> 02:23:55,600
medal that he always wore

3913
02:23:59,270 --> 02:23:57,680
and it because she said that this may be

3914
02:24:01,429 --> 02:23:59,280
the last i'm going far away and may

3915
02:24:02,790 --> 02:24:01,439
never see you again

3916
02:24:04,150 --> 02:24:02,800
and he said mr bentham are you wearing

3917
02:24:05,270 --> 02:24:04,160
that today and he said yes i am he said

3918
02:24:07,349 --> 02:24:05,280
would you mind pulling it out of your

3919
02:24:09,750 --> 02:24:07,359
shirt he pulled it out and he said it's

3920
02:24:12,150 --> 02:24:09,760
the one i made and he had described the

3921
02:24:13,910 --> 02:24:12,160
woman that had me make it

3922
02:24:14,790 --> 02:24:13,920
and he said so i don't believe and these

3923
02:24:16,469 --> 02:24:14,800
are jo

3924
02:24:18,469 --> 02:24:16,479
jay's quote of the word i don't believe

3925
02:24:19,750 --> 02:24:18,479
in these ufos they're all a bunch of

3926
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crazy crap

3927
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but i believe in the admiral scowl in

3928
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our range

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hey we got more to come with ray

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stanford

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final segment with gene and chris you're

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into the paracast let me tell you what

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you're going to hear stuff here that you

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probably won't hear anywhere else hear

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that george snorri

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so ray stanford do we assume then that

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aura reigns was a real person but

4037
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probably not someone from outer space

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maybe his mistress

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no i wouldn't think that let's take the

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story if it's true in the book of his

4041
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boss

4042
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restaurant bar in uh some town there

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near where this work had been going on

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where he had the initial contact

4045
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and uh he looked over at the bar and

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here our arrangement come in with

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several members of her crew and they

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were drinking orange juice i don't know

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there's anything in there not about any

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art shoes he noticed it looked like to

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him he had seen them but it looked like

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to him that some of these guys had used

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a little plaster on their face to make

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himself a little more normal and he told

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his boss that that that's them we got to

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follow when they go out here you get to

4057
02:29:53,429 --> 02:29:52,319
see the crowd maybe and so they went out

4058
02:29:55,670 --> 02:29:53,439
the door

4059
02:29:56,870 --> 02:29:55,680
but my golly they looked out they ran to

4060
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the door as soon as they and they had

4061
02:30:01,270 --> 02:29:57,840
vanished

4062
02:30:03,030 --> 02:30:01,280
them and there's other things he tells

4063
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him there for example there was a

4064
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chinese woman that he knew that wrote a

4065
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thing in chinese and asked arya reigns

4066
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he said she said she can communicate in

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any language see if she can answer me

4068
02:30:17,190 --> 02:30:13,840
and he shows her message and the the

4069
02:30:19,670 --> 02:30:17,200
answer it's short but it

4070
02:30:21,750 --> 02:30:19,680
is apparently it's genuine and it gets

4071
02:30:23,349 --> 02:30:21,760
very complicated but truman beckham

4072
02:30:24,790 --> 02:30:23,359
seems so genuine

4073
02:30:27,990 --> 02:30:24,800
let me say i've got right here on my

4074
02:30:29,750 --> 02:30:28,000
shelf two books they're basically love

4075
02:30:32,230 --> 02:30:29,760
poetry you might say

4076
02:30:33,750 --> 02:30:32,240
two are arranged but i don't believe for

4077
02:30:35,670 --> 02:30:33,760
a minute that this was a terrestrial

4078
02:30:38,710 --> 02:30:35,680
woman his real life

4079
02:30:41,110 --> 02:30:38,720
she divorced him and her complaint was

4080
02:30:44,150 --> 02:30:41,120
that he's in love with this oral reigns

4081
02:30:45,670 --> 02:30:44,160
woman from space and not with me and i

4082
02:30:47,030 --> 02:30:45,680
don't want anymore to do him and that's

4083
02:30:47,910 --> 02:30:47,040
what it wasn't and the divorce was

4084
02:30:50,710 --> 02:30:47,920
granted i don't know it was on that

4085
02:30:53,110 --> 02:30:50,720
basis or not and bethan went on his way

4086
02:30:54,870 --> 02:30:53,120
and he wrote these books which to me

4087
02:30:56,630 --> 02:30:54,880
you know they're not sonnets but their

4088
02:30:59,670 --> 02:30:56,640
love sanders or whatever in the figure

4089
02:31:01,110 --> 02:30:59,680
of speech tips to our reigns who he said

4090
02:31:02,469 --> 02:31:01,120
told her that she may never see him

4091
02:31:04,630 --> 02:31:02,479
again and apparently

4092
02:31:05,590 --> 02:31:04,640
i guess she never did but anyway he had

4093
02:31:07,670 --> 02:31:05,600
the gold medal i don't know what

4094
02:31:09,270 --> 02:31:07,680
happened to him after his passing but

4095
02:31:10,870 --> 02:31:09,280
anyway that's the story as i heard from

4096
02:31:12,710 --> 02:31:10,880
jay i really don't know what to make out

4097
02:31:15,270 --> 02:31:12,720
of it except it gave me a lot more

4098
02:31:17,510 --> 02:31:15,280
credence for bathroom story than i had

4099
02:31:18,550 --> 02:31:17,520
before jay told me the story

4100
02:31:20,870 --> 02:31:18,560
whoa

4101
02:31:22,389 --> 02:31:20,880
that's fascinating i love that story i

4102
02:31:24,469 --> 02:31:22,399
mean what are the odds of that guy

4103
02:31:25,910 --> 02:31:24,479
walking into that talk and and

4104
02:31:27,190 --> 02:31:25,920
encountering bathroom it's pretty

4105
02:31:29,670 --> 02:31:27,200
amazing

4106
02:31:30,950 --> 02:31:29,680
i'll tell you i'll tell you any more

4107
02:31:32,630 --> 02:31:30,960
questions chris

4108
02:31:35,030 --> 02:31:32,640
yeah we've got a bunch of a bunch of

4109
02:31:36,710 --> 02:31:35,040
questions here what does ufology do

4110
02:31:38,230 --> 02:31:36,720
wrong ray we've talked about this for

4111
02:31:40,469 --> 02:31:38,240
you know you and i

4112
02:31:41,830 --> 02:31:40,479
you know real quick sort of thumbnail

4113
02:31:43,590 --> 02:31:41,840
version

4114
02:31:46,309 --> 02:31:43,600
what does ufology do wrong and what can

4115
02:31:48,550 --> 02:31:46,319
be done to improve it okay it studies

4116
02:31:51,349 --> 02:31:48,560
reports instead of studying the objects

4117
02:31:53,990 --> 02:31:51,359
it needs to study the objects with

4118
02:31:56,630 --> 02:31:54,000
methods that are superior to the human

4119
02:31:59,349 --> 02:31:56,640
perceptual systems and that means of

4120
02:32:00,630 --> 02:31:59,359
course good optics good recordings and

4121
02:32:01,990 --> 02:32:00,640
by the way

4122
02:32:03,750 --> 02:32:02,000
people need to study these things in

4123
02:32:05,910 --> 02:32:03,760
daylight because their effect upon the

4124
02:32:08,230 --> 02:32:05,920
backlighting coming from the sky is very

4125
02:32:10,070 --> 02:32:08,240
important in in diagnosing the physics

4126
02:32:11,990 --> 02:32:10,080
involved as quite aside from what you

4127
02:32:13,429 --> 02:32:12,000
required with your electronic gravometer

4128
02:32:15,349 --> 02:32:13,439
magnetometer and other electronic

4129
02:32:17,429 --> 02:32:15,359
instruments you're actually seeing

4130
02:32:19,110 --> 02:32:17,439
things i can show people thousands and

4131
02:32:21,030 --> 02:32:19,120
thousands of daylight them with

4132
02:32:23,349 --> 02:32:21,040
wonderful effects that become visible

4133
02:32:26,550 --> 02:32:23,359
because of filming these in polarized

4134
02:32:28,550 --> 02:32:26,560
light and seeing thus the effect that

4135
02:32:29,910 --> 02:32:28,560
what their field has on the backlighting

4136
02:32:31,110 --> 02:32:29,920
it it's wonderful there's been a major

4137
02:32:32,630 --> 02:32:31,120
major physicist has been here and

4138
02:32:34,469 --> 02:32:32,640
confirmed him he says man i don't know

4139
02:32:36,870 --> 02:32:34,479
why i didn't think of this that this is

4140
02:32:39,190 --> 02:32:36,880
the way to go but that's a real study of

4141
02:32:41,270 --> 02:32:39,200
the objects and their effects these

4142
02:32:43,510 --> 02:32:41,280
effects are high speed high energy

4143
02:32:45,670 --> 02:32:43,520
physics in this propulsion always high

4144
02:32:48,309 --> 02:32:45,680
energy physics is high speed the cameras

4145
02:32:49,830 --> 02:32:48,319
used in studying plasma now film

4146
02:32:51,590 --> 02:32:49,840
millions of frames a second i don't know

4147
02:32:54,469 --> 02:32:51,600
how they do it but they do it and the

4148
02:32:56,309 --> 02:32:54,479
faster we can film ufos the better but

4149
02:32:58,389 --> 02:32:56,319
people need to start going out and

4150
02:33:00,309 --> 02:32:58,399
realizing these things hang around more

4151
02:33:01,990 --> 02:33:00,319
in daytime than at night they know

4152
02:33:04,150 --> 02:33:02,000
apparently they can be seen at night but

4153
02:33:06,230 --> 02:33:04,160
they are not easily quickly noticed in

4154
02:33:08,710 --> 02:33:06,240
the daytime and that's the time to get

4155
02:33:10,790 --> 02:33:08,720
the most evidential evidence but they

4156
02:33:13,190 --> 02:33:10,800
need to wake up and realize that

4157
02:33:15,349 --> 02:33:13,200
instruments is the way to go reports

4158
02:33:16,469 --> 02:33:15,359
have not satisfied because they are

4159
02:33:20,790 --> 02:33:16,479
reports

4160
02:33:22,630 --> 02:33:20,800
objects that is the major sin of ufology

4161
02:33:24,790 --> 02:33:22,640
also another one is

4162
02:33:26,309 --> 02:33:24,800
letting people get up on the stage

4163
02:33:28,230 --> 02:33:26,319
presented by an organization that claims

4164
02:33:30,790 --> 02:33:28,240
is scientific and you swear you are

4165
02:33:32,389 --> 02:33:30,800
talking to people at a nut house mufon

4166
02:33:34,309 --> 02:33:32,399
and other organizations have had people

4167
02:33:36,309 --> 02:33:34,319
there presenting things that should not

4168
02:33:38,710 --> 02:33:36,319
have been allowed if they are as they

4169
02:33:40,150 --> 02:33:38,720
claim scientific organizations we've

4170
02:33:42,710 --> 02:33:40,160
complained about that that's an

4171
02:33:44,550 --> 02:33:42,720
important point ray we have complained

4172
02:33:45,990 --> 02:33:44,560
about that for quite some time there's

4173
02:33:48,469 --> 02:33:46,000
no real vetting

4174
02:33:50,550 --> 02:33:48,479
of speakers before these events

4175
02:33:51,750 --> 02:33:50,560
basically popularity contests to get the

4176
02:33:54,070 --> 02:33:51,760
people that'll put the butts in the

4177
02:33:56,710 --> 02:33:54,080
seats not taking into account you know

4178
02:33:59,270 --> 02:33:56,720
the validity of their work uh or

4179
02:34:01,830 --> 02:33:59,280
whether it's even worthy of uh of

4180
02:34:03,590 --> 02:34:01,840
considering you know it's really sad i

4181
02:34:05,429 --> 02:34:03,600
i'm glad that the international ufo

4182
02:34:07,270 --> 02:34:05,439
congress seems to be improving some in

4183
02:34:09,670 --> 02:34:07,280
this regard but uh mufon seems to be

4184
02:34:11,750 --> 02:34:09,680
backsliding yeah well it does i'm very

4185
02:34:13,830 --> 02:34:11,760
upset about this upcoming conference

4186
02:34:15,990 --> 02:34:13,840
claiming a secret government space

4187
02:34:17,910 --> 02:34:16,000
program if it's secret they need to keep

4188
02:34:19,990 --> 02:34:17,920
their mouth shut we have enough enemies

4189
02:34:21,590 --> 02:34:20,000
in the world but tell you the truth i i

4190
02:34:23,190 --> 02:34:21,600
kind of believe there's an agenda and

4191
02:34:24,550 --> 02:34:23,200
has been in nephron for some years to

4192
02:34:25,349 --> 02:34:24,560
kind of switch it over and say well you

4193
02:34:26,710 --> 02:34:25,359
know

4194
02:34:28,630 --> 02:34:26,720
the serious things are being seen are

4195
02:34:30,870 --> 02:34:28,640
actually black project crafts so you

4196
02:34:32,469 --> 02:34:30,880
know to me it's just unconscionable

4197
02:34:33,270 --> 02:34:32,479
considering the state we're in in the

4198
02:34:35,110 --> 02:34:33,280
world

4199
02:34:37,270 --> 02:34:35,120
that we would be having a conference

4200
02:34:39,030 --> 02:34:37,280
supposedly showing evidence of a black

4201
02:34:40,950 --> 02:34:39,040
project we do there is of course black

4202
02:34:42,950 --> 02:34:40,960
projects and they're black project craft

4203
02:34:45,030 --> 02:34:42,960
but let me tell you i have some films of

4204
02:34:46,950 --> 02:34:45,040
them in daylight but they are nothing

4205
02:34:49,110 --> 02:34:46,960
compared to the real anomalous aerial

4206
02:34:50,950 --> 02:34:49,120
objects that we've also filmed but they

4207
02:34:53,030 --> 02:34:50,960
should not be if they are you have

4208
02:34:55,110 --> 02:34:53,040
organization why are they doing this

4209
02:34:57,349 --> 02:34:55,120
putting down government secret research

4210
02:34:59,110 --> 02:34:57,359
i don't think it's right i think it's

4211
02:35:00,070 --> 02:34:59,120
well i i don't like it i'll just put it

4212
02:35:02,790 --> 02:35:00,080
that way

4213
02:35:05,990 --> 02:35:02,800
smacks of a perfect uh platform for a

4214
02:35:09,030 --> 02:35:06,000
lot of good high quality disinformation

4215
02:35:11,990 --> 02:35:09,910
yeah

4216
02:35:14,469 --> 02:35:12,000
now we're almost out of time here so

4217
02:35:16,230 --> 02:35:14,479
before we let you go

4218
02:35:17,510 --> 02:35:16,240
obviously listeners have been asking

4219
02:35:19,590 --> 02:35:17,520
when you're going to start really

4220
02:35:21,349 --> 02:35:19,600
presenting more of your ufo information

4221
02:35:24,309 --> 02:35:21,359
to the public

4222
02:35:26,309 --> 02:35:24,319
you have a timetable yet

4223
02:35:27,429 --> 02:35:26,319
well i'm working i'm trying to work

4224
02:35:29,349 --> 02:35:27,439
something out here here's what i'd like

4225
02:35:31,670 --> 02:35:29,359
to do for example

4226
02:35:33,670 --> 02:35:31,680
i'm thinking about you you gave me the

4227
02:35:36,309 --> 02:35:33,680
the number of jacques valet i i want to

4228
02:35:37,670 --> 02:35:36,319
call him but i don't call people code i

4229
02:35:39,349 --> 02:35:37,680
email him first i'm going to ask him to

4230
02:35:41,349 --> 02:35:39,359
call me i want to talk to him

4231
02:35:42,870 --> 02:35:41,359
jackson one of the few people that could

4232
02:35:44,230 --> 02:35:42,880
get me

4233
02:35:45,990 --> 02:35:44,240
and this mate if he would come and see

4234
02:35:48,469 --> 02:35:46,000
this material he would be happier than

4235
02:35:49,830 --> 02:35:48,479
he's been in his whole ufological life i

4236
02:35:52,070 --> 02:35:49,840
can guarantee it

4237
02:35:55,349 --> 02:35:52,080
but if he would do that and would if he

4238
02:35:57,190 --> 02:35:55,359
can then get me a high-level

4239
02:35:59,429 --> 02:35:57,200
legitimate publisher that can publish

4240
02:36:03,270 --> 02:35:59,439
this on a huge scale get it as best

4241
02:36:07,510 --> 02:36:05,510
that would that would get me to come

4242
02:36:09,590 --> 02:36:07,520
open with it i need

4243
02:36:11,110 --> 02:36:09,600
you know i don't want to release stuff

4244
02:36:13,110 --> 02:36:11,120
out on the internet and let every joker

4245
02:36:15,750 --> 02:36:13,120
come to a pic i want to publish it in

4246
02:36:17,590 --> 02:36:15,760
hard copy first so people know what was

4247
02:36:19,030 --> 02:36:17,600
there originally sure people will take

4248
02:36:20,790 --> 02:36:19,040
it after that and i'll try to screw it

4249
02:36:23,510 --> 02:36:20,800
up and do all kind of things with it but

4250
02:36:25,990 --> 02:36:23,520
i want to have it a high-level qualified

4251
02:36:27,270 --> 02:36:26,000
publisher with some good review by you

4252
02:36:29,510 --> 02:36:27,280
know no matter what some people may

4253
02:36:32,230 --> 02:36:29,520
think of jacques he is i just heard a

4254
02:36:33,270 --> 02:36:32,240
talk he gave last year and he is

4255
02:36:37,110 --> 02:36:33,280
literally

4256
02:36:39,670 --> 02:36:37,120
possibly the best thinker in ufology

4257
02:36:41,550 --> 02:36:39,680
because he does not insist on throwing

4258
02:36:45,429 --> 02:36:41,560
these things into the

4259
02:36:47,429 --> 02:36:45,439
1950s spaceship box or anything else he

4260
02:36:50,070 --> 02:36:47,439
is thinking multi-dimensionally but

4261
02:36:52,070 --> 02:36:50,080
objectively and scientifically and i

4262
02:36:54,550 --> 02:36:52,080
admire this and to tell you a truth i

4263
02:36:56,630 --> 02:36:54,560
haven't seen anybody in a major

4264
02:36:59,030 --> 02:36:56,640
so-called position in this field that is

4265
02:37:01,670 --> 02:36:59,040
doing that and now he's coming out and

4266
02:37:03,670 --> 02:37:01,680
voicing that and saying it and i am i

4267
02:37:06,550 --> 02:37:03,680
was thrilled and i almost wept to see i

4268
02:37:08,870 --> 02:37:06,560
was so happy to see his position but i

4269
02:37:10,469 --> 02:37:08,880
now need to communicate with him and let

4270
02:37:12,070 --> 02:37:10,479
him get over here and see this for

4271
02:37:13,190 --> 02:37:12,080
himself and then see where we move i

4272
02:37:14,550 --> 02:37:13,200
need help

4273
02:37:16,870 --> 02:37:14,560
thank you for

4274
02:37:18,469 --> 02:37:16,880
coming on ray you don't have a website

4275
02:37:19,349 --> 02:37:18,479
or anything if people want to see what

4276
02:37:21,510 --> 02:37:19,359
you do

4277
02:37:23,429 --> 02:37:21,520
no i'm sorry i don't but i've never done

4278
02:37:24,870 --> 02:37:23,439
that because i'd get so busy with it i

4279
02:37:26,870 --> 02:37:24,880
wouldn't do the rest of the work on the

4280
02:37:29,670 --> 02:37:26,880
stuff i'm trying to get ready to publish

4281
02:37:31,670 --> 02:37:29,680
mainly i want my ufo stuff out aao as i

4282
02:37:33,750 --> 02:37:31,680
prefer but i also i'm good i'm heavily

4283
02:37:35,270 --> 02:37:33,760
involved in this this paleontological

4284
02:37:36,710 --> 02:37:35,280
research i'm doing and it's

4285
02:37:38,630 --> 02:37:36,720
for right now it's taking a lot of my

4286
02:37:40,870 --> 02:37:38,640
time but soon i can hopefully get free

4287
02:37:42,630 --> 02:37:40,880
of that and get on to this but i

4288
02:37:44,309 --> 02:37:42,640
appreciate uh you're giving me the

4289
02:37:46,230 --> 02:37:44,319
exposure to talk here there are those

4290
02:37:48,230 --> 02:37:46,240
who say ray stanford's nothing but a

4291
02:37:50,309 --> 02:37:48,240
screwball nut contact t well i hope if

4292
02:37:53,110 --> 02:37:50,319
they hear what i said today that they'll

4293
02:37:54,950 --> 02:37:53,120
take me out of that shelf

4294
02:37:57,750 --> 02:37:54,960
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4295
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4298
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4299
02:38:09,590 --> 02:38:07,359
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4310
02:38:41,590 --> 02:38:40,070
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4311
02:38:43,429 --> 02:38:41,600
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4312
02:38:45,750 --> 02:38:43,439
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4313
02:38:47,990 --> 02:38:45,760
this episode ray stanford thanks for

4314
02:38:50,710 --> 02:38:48,000
joining us on the power cast it's my

4315
02:39:03,670 --> 02:38:50,720
pleasure thanks for inviting me

4316
02:39:09,429 --> 02:39:06,550
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02:39:12,389 --> 02:39:09,439
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